Just slap on that grill /sEdit: I am not sure a bookshelf speaker rotated horizontally looks great because it some cases it is asymmetrical (e.g., KEF R3).
Just slap on that grill /sEdit: I am not sure a bookshelf speaker rotated horizontally looks great because it some cases it is asymmetrical (e.g., KEF R3).
with the grills the kef r 3 are perfectly fine to use horizontally, but having a decentered speaker its not for everyoneJust slap on that grill /s
I can't find this information. Can you show me the source?By the way the Revel M16 scores 6.0 with the port closed.
Maybe it should be moved out of the worthy title and into a regular title with a note at the end?
Very cool. I didn't know that. Then it becomes a worthy pick for center-channel use. Thanks.You can rotate the BMR Monitor RAAL Tweeter 90 degrees should you require the speaker be on it's side. But it's not that big of a speaker that vertical orientation is an issue in most installs. I also find the Monolith THX-365C does a great job as a center channel at a superb price.
Yes, it's a typical 2-way, which means it's vertical directivity is aweful. And if you rotate the speaker 90 degrees (to be horizontal, like a center channel), then it's vertical directivity becomes horizontal. So now your horizontal directivity is aweful.Is the New Sierra LX model not present here because of the vertical directivity issues?
You can read about it here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...orama-and-misc-measurements.27076/post-980559I can't find this information. Can you show me the source?
Thanks, added.You can read about it here: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...orama-and-misc-measurements.27076/post-980559
In that post you can see that the score increases by 0.3 when you close the port. So the original NFS score is 5.6 so it's 5.9 with the port closed and would be 8.0 with the port closed and with a subwoofer.
8/10 with Sub is remarkable without EQ though for a passive speaker. and would be #2 on your list for a speaker pair under 1000$
Even if they aren't clearly better/worse, they also cost basically half the price. So an amazing opportunity for new buyers. I'm even considering getting these as a stop gap until I can justify buying Genelecs or similar.Do you think they are better than the r3? Based on only score they are, and I've read that they can manage a lot of power,but I've seen the directivity are different,the kef are more narrower, i currently have the R3 and reselling them wouldn't be a problem
What Genelec models are you looking at? They seem interesting.Even if they aren't clearly better/worse, they also cost basically half the price. So an amazing opportunity for new buyers. I'm even considering getting these as a stop gap until I can justify buying Genelecs or similar.
not for me i paid 1070 dollars for a new pair of kef R3 and the sierra acoustics could cost me 1700-1800 dollars if im not wrong, because import taxes in EU, but for new buyers i would try the sierraEven if they aren't clearly better/worse, they also cost basically half the price. So an amazing opportunity for new buyers. I'm even considering getting these as a stop gap until I can justify buying Genelecs or similar.
8351B/8361A. Very pricey.What Genelec models are you looking at? They seem interesting.
Yeah, Kef is generally cheaper in countries outside of US, especially if you can get them used. Kef is due to update their R3 with their new drivers soon, so we will probably see a lot of them getting unloaded cheaper in the coming months. Kef R3, Buchardt, Sierra-LX, Sointuva are all the passive bookshelves to be buying depending on budget.not for me i paid 1070 dollars for a new pair of kef R3 and the sierra acoustics could cost me 1700-1800 dollars if im not wrong, because import taxes in EU, but for new buyers i would try the sierra
Why not going for the Ones, given these are 3-way?8351B/8361A. Very pricey.
Biggest reason right now is cost/logistics. I am stuck overseas now, buying Genelec here will cost me 11k USD for 8351B's or 13k for 8361A's. That is a massive premium over retail where I am from, and then if I had speakers that expensive, I would be compelled to ship them back if I moved back home (the likelihood of which seems high), and that will also incur a massive cost and of course long waiting times and worry about it being mishandled. In comparison, buying ones in my home country will only cost $7.7k/9.2k USD respectively. And while there may be some tax on that, I can also get some % off from the dealer, so it still works out to be much cheaper.Why not going for the Ones, given these are 3-way?
No, because both include only the on-axis measurements.Is there any way to import results from all of the measurements taken by soundstage and stereophile, and compute preference scores from them?
Thanks, @sweetchaos . That makes sense.No, because both include only the on-axis measurements.
SoundStageNetwork:
Stereophile:
You need the CEA2034 spinorama that Amir, Erin (and others) publish, to calculate the preference score.
Example:
In order to calculate the Olive Preference Score, you need to measure all the angles (off-axis and on-axis) and then present the data (on axis, listening window, early reflections, sound power, early reflections DI, sound power DI).
Since Stereophile and SoundStageNetwork only show a single graph (the on-axis), there isn't enough information to compute the preference score.
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I have a question about the selection of speakers that are included in the spreadsheet. It looks like certain brands have had many models measured (Revel and KEF, for example), while other brands are mostly absent. It's not that other brands appear and measured badly, but that they have not been measured at all, fwict.
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Is there any way to import results from all of the measurements taken by soundstage and stereophile, and compute preference scores from them? Would that bring in more valuable data for comparison? Or are those already mostly included?
No, because both include only the on-axis measurements.
SoundStageNetwork:
Stereophile:
You need the CEA2034 spinorama that Amir, Erin (and others) publish, to calculate the preference score.
Example:
In order to calculate the Olive Preference Score, you need to measure all the angles (off-axis and on-axis) and then present the data (on axis, listening window, early reflections, sound power, early reflections DI, sound power DI).
Since Stereophile and SoundStageNetwork only show a single graph (the on-axis), there isn't enough information to compute the preference score.