Folks skeptical that it's possible to properly engineer a system? You'd have to be dumber than a sack of hammers to think what uptone does couldn't be implemented better and cheaper if built into the DAC.
No, I have no idea. Just posted what a few individual users have reported - that they had playback/connection issues that disappeared when they cancelled the isolation.Would care to take a stab at a hypothesis for how that could be?
Folks skeptical that it's possible to properly engineer a system? You'd have to be dumber than a sack of hammers to think what uptone does couldn't be implemented better and cheaper if built into the DAC.
Maybe so, but almost no one is doing it. Most DACs just use an off the shelf USB input with no attempt to isolate/lower noise.
Can you say anything more categorically stupid than this? There's a $79 DAC here with better distortion profiles then three 'Audiophile' DAC's costing up to $2000 that shows no difference with a regeneration device in or out of chain.
I'm not massively keen on it either , still many here are at saturation point in regard to the mountains of nonsense that seems to of over taken the industry.Unfortunately, this type of nasty and overly aggressive response is typical of the negative atmosphere here.
In addition, your response to my post has almost nothing to do with what I wrote.
I simply described the facts: so please list for me all the DACs that have galvanic isolation and specialized noise reduction built into their USB input, that is more serious than what comes standard on their USB input board.
If I'm wrong, you can easily name dozens or even hundreds of DACs with galvanic isolation, etc, on their USB inputs....
Prediction: instead of an actual answer, you'll engage in more ad hominem attacks and invective, b/c you don't have the answer and b/c I'm actually correct.
Unfortunately, this type of nasty and overly aggressive response is typical of the negative atmosphere here.
In addition, your response to my post has almost nothing to do with what I wrote.
I simply described the facts: so please list for me all the DACs that have galvanic isolation and specialized noise reduction built into their USB input, that is more serious than what comes standard on their USB input board.
If I'm wrong, you can easily name dozens or even hundreds of DACs with galvanic isolation, etc, on their USB inputs....
Prediction: instead of an actual answer, you'll engage in more ad hominem attacks and invective, b/c you don't have the answer and b/c I'm actually correct.
I'm not massively keen on it either , still many here are at saturation point in regard to the mountains of nonsense that seems to of over taken the industry.
They see ASR as a safe heaven and can get anti with what appears to them as yet more audiophile nonsense. Still I don't like the tone of @Jinjuku post addressing your comments
Prediction: instead of an actual answer, you'll engage in more ad hominem attacks and invective, b/c you don't have the answer and b/c I'm actually correct.
Regardless, the mission here is not to isolate ourselves and be branded as 'extremists ' as your type of rhetoric will invite . We are to be the best face of the objective , evidence based ( I'm staying away from the term scientific) approach.With all respect "Most DACs just use an off the shelf USB input with no attempt to isolate/lower noise." How can someone make such a obviously and patently, blanket statement and given even the results shown here of a handful of DAC's, including one that has a ton of noise corrected by a regen type device say such a thing? It boggles the mind.
Stupidity is ignorance willfully left uncorrected. I've seen zero from Fire Dog here and elsewhere that indicates he has the intellectual honesty that is REQUIRED to look at hard data, that challenges the audiophile, golden ears superiority complex, and have his dogma changed.
Absolutely. The mission of ASR Forum is to discuss audio science *and* have fun. No one should post anything in anger. Let the evidence speak for itself. Nothing destroys the work I have done here more than turning it into battle of one camp vs the other.Regardless, the mission here is not to isolate ourselves and be branded as 'extremists ' as your type of rhetoric will invite . We are to be the best face of the objective , evidence based ( I'm staying away from the term scientific) approach.
I'd be grateful if you kept that in mind. ( I know it can be hard but...)
Cheers
@firedog just be warned, amir's idea of 'fun' is rewiring his camper van so....Absolutely. The mission of ASR Forum is to discuss audio science *and* have fun. No one should post anything in anger. Let the evidence speak for itself. Nothing destroys the work I have done here more than turning it into battle of one camp more than the other.
My apologies to Firedog for the recent tone.
... so please list for me all the DACs that have galvanic isolation and specialized noise reduction built into their USB input, that is more serious than what comes standard on their USB input board.
If I'm wrong, you can easily name dozens or even hundreds of DACs with galvanic isolation, etc, on their USB inputs....
We seem to be turning into an audiophile forum.
Member that have different viewpoints or write posts with errors are not stupid dumb or ignorant.
Can't we stick to just the information in the posts?
Oh the irony frantzFor a device that seems to do nothing ... 4 pages! Perhaps we need to discuss about how to make our system better. A primer on multiple subs or ...anything more constructive would be welcome.