Thankyou gents, your nearly all correct... yes the grouting leaves something to be desired but I do spend some time swimming there..... Thumpmaster "Ill explain if you like" ...Close...LOL.. And yes Inspired by Wilson, just loved em but couldn't afford them, a visually similar will suffice..but these are 5 way. and a tad smaller...Class D yes, Behringer A800,s and a Marantz. .Six months to build them... Response in room.. Red is using Audessey , the rest, direct a different spots. Best is by the Bar, not that I spend too much time there of course.... :-/