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MarkS
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From the Nordost press release: "Attendees of the Hong Kong High End Audio Visual Show were the first to view Nordost’s innovative new Supreme Reference line, Odin Gold."
Emphasis added. It is of course true that viewing them is the important thing, since if you listened without viewing, you would hear no difference at all.
I have to admit that they look pretty darn cool. If I had unlimited wealth, and unlimited selfishness, I would buy them.
Emphasis added. It is of course true that viewing them is the important thing, since if you listened without viewing, you would hear no difference at all.
I have to admit that they look pretty darn cool. If I had unlimited wealth, and unlimited selfishness, I would buy them.
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The fact that 1m of those cables cost more than arguably the best speakers in the world
.I like flat cable for not making a bump in the rug.
But I'm running 12-gauge zip cord under an area rug and on top of wall-to-wall carpeting in my listening room, and don't feel a bump anyway.
Rick "who'd pay, like, an extra ten bucks to not have a bump if there was one" Denney
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Since Rick is "coming out" I will admit I own lots of Monster Cable. In my defence, my local surplus store always gets shipments in and sells them for a fraction of typical retail even that nice flat stuff. I sometimes parallel runs. I also have comparatively "nice" power cords that cost me about $100 each on average. The guy at the show was nice, if misguided, but they are all custom length with the right angle connectors I wanted. When I considered my time to build them myself which I was planning, the price was very fair.
P.S. The voltage waveform may be 50/60 Hz, but the power waveform is harmonics of that with significant harmonics usually up to a few Khz. Then again, why is some skin resistance a bad thing. Other than losing a fraction of a db at the top end, I expect with almost no exceptions, the level of noise on the DC will go down with some resistance in the AC. The only issue may be ground voltage variations between connected equipment. Cheaper ways to solve that.
P.S. The voltage waveform may be 50/60 Hz, but the power waveform is harmonics of that with significant harmonics usually up to a few Khz. Then again, why is some skin resistance a bad thing. Other than losing a fraction of a db at the top end, I expect with almost no exceptions, the level of noise on the DC will go down with some resistance in the AC. The only issue may be ground voltage variations between connected equipment. Cheaper ways to solve that.
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My 40ft length of Belden speaker wire travels behind walls, under floors, only to run along a shag rug to the bottom connection of my speakers, leaving the cables buried invisibly in the rug.
The cable lifter crowd would be horrified.
The cable lifter crowd would be horrified.
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was my reaction after wasting the few minutes it took me to read that. And I certainly do not have a technical background. The word "Codswallop" came to mind, along with that I call Shenanigans!I've heard more logical explanations come from carnival barkers on meth trying to get you to climb a rope ladder. The dieletric of air is also something like a few 10k volts per linear inch depending on humidity. The amount of volts moving through a speaker cable is meaningless in comparison. So, now cable snobs are claiming insulation is bad? Why then...just strip the insulation off speaker cables and run them bare to get the right dielectric break down.....or just use shielded cable. The foil wrapping has and even lesser dielectric than air, so it's better, right? Or is it worse? If you actually take the claims of cable snobs seriously they present a universe where the crossover inductor coil inside their speakers couldn't even function.
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They keep your Roomba from getting tangled up - supported by vast empirical evidence.
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Of course, any minutely measureable difference in capacitance is significantly less than the tolerance variation of the capacitors in the crossover....
I wasted my time reading that pseudo-science claptrap. Technical jargon nonsense. As usual someone takes a measurement of a VERY, VERY small electrical value and proclaims other non-measured theories and claims. There is zero evidence that what the article mentions has ANY effect on the sound of ANY speaker. There are so many factors that negate what they are claiming that it is appalling they make the claims they do. I shouldn't even respond but someone on this forum "might" think, "ok, that sounds interesting", when it is total rubbish and the musings of twisted minds. I don't know how to say it any more forceful. Deluded, sick, twisted, scamming, lying minds spout this stuff. Writing this bunk should be cause for a visit to a mental institution.
As you can tell my BS meter was pegged. I should never read that crap. I got suckered, again. At least I know that most people here see it for what it is.
As you can tell my BS meter was pegged. I should never read that crap. I got suckered, again. At least I know that most people here see it for what it is.
If the lifters actually had any effect at all, it would be microscopic-inaudible and not measurable, either. Lifters work because their owners believe that they do, and beliefs may modify the sound processing center in the brain to give the gullible listener the impression that there is a difference, regardless of what's actually in the nerve signal coming from the ear. Believe! Just believe, and the scales will fall from your eyes, er, ears!
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I've had many a similar discussion on the Roon Community. There's a hardcore of die-hard audiophiles over there who swear they can hear "improvements" using amongst other things the Uptone etherRegen, "audiophile" network switches, network cables and power cables, fibre converters, power conditioners and all other manner of other snake-oil products. It all descends into hissy-fits and name calling as soon as blind A/B/X testing, expectation or confirmation bias are mentioned......