spiritofjerry
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Surround sound music is something I can live without, but not stereo. Mono just doesn't do anything for me, at all. I don't need surround sound music to be happy.
Assertions of easy-to-please personal standards — are they even audiophile?Surround sound music is something I can live without, but not stereo. Mono just doesn't do anything for me, at all. I don't need surround sound music to be happy.
That's what they were saying in 1960 about stereo.
Obviously you haven't listened to good recordings on quality equipment.
Plain stereo is just so boring and limited in it's presentation abilities.
Nothing really wrong with mono, specially if your doing something else for whatever reason and you can't sit in the sweet spot. But when you can dedicate your mind to listening, nothing can pull you in and involve you in the performance like multich.. Stereo is good, 5 base channels is better, and as of now the immervise codings of Atmos, Auro, and Sony 3D is the best currently available.I listen to and enjoy quite a lot of music in mono.
Sure, better presentation helps, but if a great musician only got to record in mono, or was at their height in the mono era, I’m not going to ignore them for that.
That's part of the problem, we've moved way beyond the old open window on the performance paradigm. Maybe for classical that's fine but even with classical there are more engineers mixing for a conductors perspective, experimenting with different things like becoming part of the orchestra, sitting in with them. What some will chose to dismiss as gimmicky, recording engineers together with the performers have and continue to invent a whole new musical art in the form of immersive entertainment.Yes the ambience in surround sound can be extend further past the stereo field to the sides and behind me, but again, I sit close enough that I'm already feeling immersed in the sound - surround just doesn't give me much more. And I don't tend to care for instruments and voices popping up behind me. Prefer the scene to be happening more from the front.
Hell no.Assertions of easy-to-please personal standards — are they even audiophile?
Hey, I’m in the same situation and use the same excuse.Hell no.
I do really enjoy Atmos for movies and music in the auditions I've heard, but being a prole living a sardine can, there ain't no way I'm fitting that gear in my modest living situation. Learning to be happy while living within your means DEFINITELY isn't audiophile.
Then again, people like this exist:
I live in a 22x35 double wideMaybe I’m just not trying hard enough
Well that wasn’t me. I loved stereo as soon as I moved from mono, and I still love it.That's what they were saying in 1960 about stereo.
Obviously you haven't listened to good recordings on quality equipment.
Plain stereo is just so boring and limited in it's presentation abilities.
I designed and "worked with" record players 45 years ago. I have yet to see anything published since which gives new information over and above what was published then by, for example, Bruel and Kjaer, who made most of the top level measuring equipment we used.With a really good turntable and preamp that "wow & flutter" and background noise it's pretty much inaudible with a "normal" volume.
I began to think many people doesn't hear a real good analog system ... and maybe I understand what people said about vinyl in this topic. Maybe I need to left this as is.
Well that wasn’t me. I loved stereo as soon as I moved from mono, and I still love it.
I have very good quality surround sound recordings (some even reference) and quality equipment, that’s not the issue.
Multichannel music where the rears are actively involved in playing instruments is like a movie soundtrack where a significant part of the dialogue comes from the rear speakers. For you perhaps this would be “immersive”. For me it’s gimmicky and annoying, and I guess for other people too, which is why they don’t do it.
I don’t want to feel in the middle of the orchestra. That’s not how I listen to music. I want it to be in front of me. I guess most others feel the same, which is why multichannel music is a tiny niche market.
Now if they use the rear speakers for ambience only, that’s fine, but it doesn’t add much and I can just as easily do without it.
Finally, please forgive those of us who happen to not share your listening preferences. I’ll do the ashes and the mea culpa later.
Nothing really wrong with mono, specially if your doing something else for whatever reason and you can't sit in the sweet spot. But when you can dedicate your mind to listening, nothing can pull you in and involve you in the performance like multich.. Stereo is good, 5 base channels is better, and as of now the immervise codings of Atmos, Auro, and Sony 3D is the best currently available.
That's part of the problem, we've moved way beyond the old open window on the performance paradigm. Maybe for classical that's fine but even with classical there are more engineers mixing for a conductors perspective, experimenting with different things like becoming part of the orchestra, sitting in with them. What some will chose to dismiss as gimmicky, recording engineers together with the performers have and continue to invent a whole new musical art in the form of immersive entertainment.
When it comes to modern music like rock, jazz or country, anything goes. There is no right or wrong when it comes to the presentation of entertainment. Shit man Pink Floyd and others have been doing live concerts in multhch surround sound for 40+ years, that IS what they're supposed to sound like.
I've had a multich rig going since the early 70s and witnessed the ups and downs in it's popularity. For myself I'm super excited to see the boom in immersive recording going on now in the form of Atmos, etc. It's everywhere now, from discs and downloads to streaming from almost all the majors.
Rather than blow a bunch of dough on a near 100 year old crippled tech like the LP, take the dive and bring your 2 ch rig up to the same quality level of speakers, etc; in a modern 5.2.4 or better surround rig. You'll be blown away.
That's been my experience as well. With the few classical recordings which were recorded with Blumlein or Ambisonics microphone techniques, one could swear that there are surround speakers in use. Newer popular music often uses virtual surround (3D) audio plug-ins to synthesize this effect, and is extremely effective.I don't find surround adds much to what I already enjoy from stereo.
That's been my experience as well. With the few classical recordings which were recorded with Blumlein or Ambisonics microphone techniques, one could swear that there are surround speakers in use. Newer popular music often uses virtual surround (3D) audio plug-ins to synthesize this effect, and is extremely effective.
I have full and verified documentation from tests where my brain was patched into analysis equipment which proves my personal experiences were real. Unfortunately my brain didn't survive the the intrusion, so I am what I am now.Careful. You are stating a personal preference from your own experience. Some around here don't want you to "get away with that." ;-)
That's what they were saying in 1960 about stereo.
Wrong. The bit one doesn't "get away with" is holding a personal preference that contradicts the science, but pretending anyone with a view aligned with the science is purely stating a personal preference. With words like, "please forgive those of us who happen to not share your listening preferences."Careful. You are stating a personal preference from your own experience. Some around here don't want you to "get away with that." ;-)