When listening to this music do you really feel the type of emotion that goes with witnessing beauty, or is it more an appreciation of creativity and innovation? (Not trolling but trying to understand. The only emotion I feel when watching this is confusion over what I'm looking at).no, this music was not written to be deliberately ugly. In fact, a notion of ugly is actually an acquired thing. I myself do not and did not find Messiaen's music ugly, ever. What it actually was, was a desire to enable creativity ito find new modes of beauty:
That's the one. Terrific recording.It's actually the Erato recording conducted by Boulez. Not sure why I thought it was Nonesuch. Too many hard seltzers.....
Berio - New Swingle Singers, Orchestre National De France, Pierre Boulez - Sinfonia - Eindrücke
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I really feel emotion that goes with wtnessing beauty.When listening to this music do you really feel the type of emotion that goes with witnessing beauty, or is it more an appreciation of creativity and innovation? (Not trolling but trying to understand. The only emotion I feel when watching this is confusion over what I'm looking at).
I have that LP. A classic. I wouldn't call it jazz but that's another matterHow about this jazz classic?
This is a very domain-specific definition of ”unsophisticated”, as the subject may be quite deeply aware in other domains. ”Unsophisticated” carries unpleasant negative connotations in a conversation like this. For instance, people who wander into this forum thinking subjective reviews are reliable and dispositive aren’t necessarily “unsophisticated” IMO, they maybe just haven’t engaged with the research of our odd hobby.But being unaware of such work is literally unsophisticated
I would call it Western Art Music, or rather European Art Music.I wouldn't really call Messiaen a 'contemporary' classical composer as he died over 30 years ago ...
Here's a brief summary that may help: https://promusicianhub.com/what-is-atonal-music/Topic for attention
One of the main reasons I got into Roon was music discovery. Both genres I listen to already, but also new genres/artists. I fell over this music (on the radio but still) one day, and I’m presumable just not smart or sophisticated enough to understand the music. It sounds like some random guy sitting down just hammering aimless away on the piano
Are any of you listening to this kind of music (what (sub)genre is it?), and what exactly are you enjoying in the music? I’m serious and don’t want to put anyone down, I’m just very curious, as I don’t understand it and want to learn how and why other people listen to this kind of music.
Thanks!
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I like to think about it, or compare listening to 'this kind of music', to reading different texts. Scientific paper is different than russian novel or romance. Not all reading is for pleasure. Not all music is for pleasure. Some it's done to expand vocabulary, knowledge, to transcend the known.why people listen to this kind of music.
I fell over this music (on the radio but still) one day, and I’m presumable just not smart or sophisticated enough to understand the music.
I also see it something like that.But my point is that atonality can encourage a connection to the music and not just discourage same. It can make the story more interesting. It's a come-hither to think harder and listen more carefully. It can make some older, more tonal works seem a little "just-so", i.e. contrived a bit too much for an audience's need for harmony and closure.
For every person who is an appreciative student of the genre, there are a dozen chin-pullers pretending to admire something out of social pressure (and sometimes the emperor has no clothes - ahem high end audio - and it's 1 or zero:100). That's just the absurd condition of humanity.Reminds me of an Asger Jorn exhibition I once went to. The place was absolutely packed with pretentious old farts rambling on about how they "understood" this and that in the paintings. Constantly trying to "one up" each other. It made me so nauseous that I had to leave the place.