I would assume no two headphones are remotely similar just based on manufacturer and close siblings. Especially when it's wireless v wired.Not yet. I couldn't find any of the HP50 but I do see the HP70 which I assume is the same, except wireless. And I do see the PSB versions of them. Still looking at the Neumann too.
Not yet. I couldn't find any of the HP50 but I do see the HP70 which I assume is the same, except wireless. And I do see the PSB versions of them. Still looking at the Neumann too.
Let us know how you go, and keep an eye on this thread if anyone else posts recomendations.Not yet. I couldn't find any of the HP50 but I do see the HP70 which I assume is the same, except wireless. And I do see the PSB versions of them. Still looking at the Neumann too.
I agree completely. I like the Neumann look, but it looks like they need some EQ to get to the right curve. Although it looks like they tried to get in the ballpark. They seem to EQ quite nicely. I guess with the RME ADI DAC and 6-band PEQ I could nail it. I have never used PEQ but does that seem like it would work? I assume I can set them in the ADI DAC as described in the table below?View attachment 82562
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Well as you recognised they EQ quite easily to the Harman Curve and without requiring lots of filters, but you do loose quite a lot through the -7.0dB preamp that's required, but I like how the EQ'd curve looks with great bass extension and no major peaks or troughs in the treble area, although it's not perfect at 7kHz with a bit of a dip there, which could probably be fixed with an extra filter applied at that point, but it's possible this would be unnoticeable. Not a bad choice you made I think, although I don't know anything about the headphone beyond what I've seen on their product page and the frequency response done by Oratory. By virtue of that it might be a bit more of a risky headphone purchase given that I don't think they have a solid audiophile reputation behind them like for instance the HD600, I do quite like the EQ'd frequency response of the NDH 20.Ended up ordering the Neumann. Will see how it goes.
Yup. A senn owned brandIsn't the Neumann NDH20 a Sennheiser built headphone, acc to wishes from Neumann ?
Ended up ordering the Neumann. Will see how it goes.
Yes, based on the similar Sennheiser HD 630 VB:Isn't the Neumann NDH20 a Sennheiser built headphone, acc to wishes from Neumann ?
Well as you recognised they EQ quite easily to the Harman Curve and without requiring lots of filters, but you do loose quite a lot through the -7.0dB preamp that's required, but I like how the EQ'd curve looks with great bass extension and no major peaks or troughs in the treble area, although it's not perfect at 7kHz with a bit of a dip there, which could probably be fixed with an extra filter applied at that point, but it's possible this would be unnoticeable. Not a bad choice you made I think, although I don't know anything about the headphone beyond what I've seen on their product page and the frequency response done by Oratory. By virtue of that it might be a bit more of a risky headphone purchase given that I don't think they have a solid audiophile reputation behind them like for instance the HD600, I do quite like the EQ'd frequency response of the NDH 20.
EDIT: what audio equipment references do you have to compare against when you listen to your NDH 20 when they arrive? Do you have some quality speakers that are Room EQ'd to the Harman Curve for instance? Do you have some other headphones that are also EQ'd to the Headphone Harman Curve? It's useful to have a solid point of comparison if you're gonna evaluate how good the NDH 20 really are when they arrive. Don't forget you can always return them if they're no good.
If you're gonna be getting some good speakers and you get a UMIK for measuring them and EQ'ing them in your room then you compare their tonality vs your EQ'd (or stock) headphones, and that way you can get a better grasp of which headphones are best and which you should keep. If you can get your headphones sounding like a good set of Harman EQ'd speakers then that's ideal. If you're not gonna go to the trouble of UMIK and EQ'ing your main speakers, then just listen to the headphone and see if you like it, don't stress about it in that case. (But it's always worthwhile to try Oratory's EQ though, because that's easy & quick to do.)In the end, I didn't make the decision based on anything in particular, other than those appealed to me the most, and they seemed really well-built. Neumann and Sennheiser have a great reputation so I thought I would trust them to make a good product. PSB and NAD looked really nice as well as some AKGs.
I have no pre-conceived notions -- I use IEMs, but not often. Since the pandemic I found myself needing to use them more for sound isolation and then my good IEMs broke and I am left with a rather uncomfortable pair. And I don't find IEMs to be comfortable for the long-term (more than an hour). So, I thought I would try something over-the-ear to avoid bothering others nearby.
I specifically got away from high-end audio about 6 years ago because of all the obsession with the imperceptible. So, I don't have a great reference either. Next up are some reasonably priced, nice speakers based on what I have learned here. I do enjoy my KEF Q300 and, in fact, I am looking at Neumann and Genelec active speakers as options.
But I should get them today, and I can start playing with them. Very excited about it. And your advice to return them if I don't like them is well-taken. Thanks!
That's basically meaning that the Total EQ Curve that's created from the filters that Oratory devises has at it's highest point a +7.0dB boost, therefore you require a -7.0dB preamp in order to avoid digital clipping (yes it attenuates the whole signal by 7dB).by the way, what is the "-7.0dB preamp"? Is this just an attenuation of the entire signal? I guess I should look that up.
by the way, what is the "-7.0dB preamp"? Is this just an attenuation of the entire signal? I guess I should look that up.
Yes. If you use an EQ at the source end, and the highest EQ adjustment is (lets say) +7dB @1khz, regardless of any other peaks and dips, you need to reduce the overall signal by that amount to prevent clipping on the 1khz signal when the recording has that freq pushing hard.
So a 7db reduction overall is quite noticeable. The signal will be noticeably less than with no EQ, so you will have to adjust your thinking about volume dial for those cans on that amp. One of the reasons I dont like very peaky EQ adjustments.
Cool, let us know how you get on.OK -- thank you. This is all starting to make more sense. At least these headphones are pretty sensitive, so that should be ok. But as soon as UPS gets here, I can find out.
I can't remember if we linked you any EQ advice. If you're on PC you can use Equaliser APO combined with the PEACE extension as the tool for EQ'ing. PEACE extension provides a more familiar graphical interface that links with Equaliser APO......I just use Equaliser APO on it's own now without PEACE but it's less user friendly if you don't know how to use it so I recommend using the PEACE extension combined with Equaliser APO to begin with.Well, there is plenty of low frequency energy with these Neumann headphones. Pretty cool actually -- never really got this kind of bass from my Westone ES5 IEMs. Definitely not bright either. And pretty comfortable although the pressure is probably a bit too high on my head. They are very clear. May start to play with some of the EQ settings once I figure that out.