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ATC speakers / Monitors
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That’s only 0.7m away from speaker, as a gaming pc setup and not mixing whatsoever. But this thread is for ATC not genelec so I don’t bother post the post eq below Schroeder frequency with 7040 measurement in same nearfield settings, my room is tiny and at 0.7m my back is on the wardrobe so mid to far field measurement isn’t available anyway, it didn’t sound anything like harsh or bass lacking
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Because they aren't very good at all.I must ask
ATC monitors are considered to be one of the best if not the best monitors on the planet, it's also a consensus on Gearslutz
But around here they're not very popular
I must understand why
The driver for the mids is great sounding on the larger speakers. All the active speakers in their line have advantage of dsp. All the monitors smaller then the atc40 are just terrible. None are very accurate.
They don't use DSP at all. They're analog active. Also, they're not terrible, just too expensive.
It's a result of their port tuning, I think.
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You see how different measured room responses can be depending on the room reverberation curve and listening distance, that's why on their own they don't tell much, not at least if no other loudspeakers are measured at the same position to at least compare them. For example you showed a flatish D&D 8c listening response, I had the luck to measure one too in an acoustically well behaving (lightly treated) living room and it showed a smooth continuous slope of approx. 0.8 dB/octave:
Source: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/best-room-response.12715/page-7#post-382707
And it didn't sound overly bright to any of the several invited listeners, not even directly compared to the KH310 which was placed there too and is supposed to be rather a darker voiced loudspeaker.
By the way few of the responses you just showed show a peak above 5 kHz which give also me the suspicion of the possibility of non calibrated mics
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What is true though is that earlier versions of the GLM corrected the response below 1 kHz very flat which can be perceived at sounding too bright and was changed at the later ones, but that is not an issue of the loudspeakers themselves but the automatic room correction.
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And for those 8x20/8x30 ppl are more than likely using in nearfield, which the slope shall not be too steep or there at all, should have a flatish mids to highs and a sub should do the bass shelve, since he posted a few measurements in domestic nearfield I add my own measurement with Harman target curve overlain on it, only below 400hz which is the schroeder frequency in my roomYou see how different measured room responses can be depending on the room reverberation curve and listening distance, that's why on their own they don't tell much, not at least if no other loudspeakers are measured at the same position to at least compare them. For example you showed a flatish D&D 8c listening response, I had the luck to measure one too in an acoustically well behaving (lightly treated) living room and it showed a smooth continuous slope of approx. 0.8 dB/octave:
Source: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/best-room-response.12715/page-7#post-382707
And it didn't sound overly bright to any of the several invited listeners, not even directly compared to the KH310 which was placed there too and is supposed to be rather a darker voiced loudspeaker.
By the way few of the responses you just showed show a peak above 5 kHz which give also me the suspicion of the possibility of non calibrated mics
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What is true though is that earlier versions of the GLM corrected the response below 1 kHz very flat which can be perceived at sounding too bright and was changed at the later ones, but that is not an issue of the loudspeakers themselves but the automatic room correction.
Not a good response as no treatment, full of reflection and stuffs put right next to both speakers and a monitor in between, a bit fron tf the speakers causing all these comb filtering in the 1/48 plot, but it did sound natural/neutral, coz in nearfield of 0.7m that's what I think should be expected.
I think the point is that Genelec stock FR and similarly flat measuring speakers is aimed for treated rooms/nearfield use unless a bit of brigthness is preferred otherwise a bit less flat would be preferred. That is why some users have them tilted to the back or use lower level in the treble.You see how different measured room responses can be depending on the room reverberation curve and listening distance, that's why on their own they don't tell much, not at least if no other loudspeakers are measured at the same position to at least compare them. For example you showed a flatish D&D 8c listening response, I had the luck to measure one too in an acoustically well behaving (lightly treated) living room and it showed a smooth continuous slope of approx. 0.8 dB/octave:
Source: https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...s/best-room-response.12715/page-7#post-382707
And it didn't sound overly bright to any of the several invited listeners, not even directly compared to the KH310 which was placed there too and is supposed to be rather a darker voiced loudspeaker.
By the way few of the responses you just showed show a peak above 5 kHz which give also me the suspicion of the possibility of non calibrated mics
Hifi-Selbstbau - 1000 Mikrofonkalibrierungen - eine Übersicht
HiFi-Selbstbau - Das Online-Magazin
What is true though is that earlier versions of the GLM corrected the response below 1 kHz very flat which can be perceived at sounding too bright and was changed at the later ones, but that is not an issue of the loudspeakers themselves but the automatic room correction.
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Neumann even recommends using the treble -1dB setting at non treated rooms, good studio monitors and good home hifi loudspeakers are often optimised for different room characteristics, placements and listening distances.
Abbey Road Studios just fell victim to what everyone at ASR has been warning about - all that ATC hype. If only they had taken the time to consult with ASR armchair experts what speakers measure best….
Oh the tragedy - there simply aren’t enough waveguides - you always need more waveguides - just like you always need more cowbell.
I guess the writing is on the wall for the legendary Abbey Road Studios… the ASR gurus will no doubt be holding a vigil in light of their coming demise. ATC mains and ATC on the meter bridge - what are they smoking? ;-) /sarc off
Oh the tragedy - there simply aren’t enough waveguides - you always need more waveguides - just like you always need more cowbell.
I guess the writing is on the wall for the legendary Abbey Road Studios… the ASR gurus will no doubt be holding a vigil in light of their coming demise. ATC mains and ATC on the meter bridge - what are they smoking? ;-) /sarc off
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And the legendary Metropolis studio use Genelecs, other rooms in Abby Road uses B&W, legendary Capitol Studio use PMC, I guess all these are doomed not using ATC for their dynamics also?
Comon, studio uses just mean they are passing certain requirement level and then the decision are based on user demand on brands, promotion/bargain with the vendor etc. it doesn't mean they are the best choice individually and especially a studio can tailor the whole room, EQ and whatever to fix the deficiency of the speaker of choice in that single LP in the mixing console, it doesn't mean anything about the SOTA designs or so
Nice!
I’m sure it's a big step forward from the free-standing B&W’s they had in that room before if I remember correctly.
They have 3 rooms, 2 still using B&W, the new Room 3 using ATCs are having a selling point being "complemented with the perfect blend of vintage tech and modern gear that you’d expect from a bespoke writing & recording room", so give or take what it is, I am sure it's good enough for the job, but if one room is better or not is purely your own take.
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/sarc reply on
Well, Abbey also used 500£ per meter speaker cables, so obviously they must now a lot better than those ASR desktop nerds and everything they do should not be questioned by anyone!
In France, Radio France choose ATC because ATC offered the better discount.
All professionals speakers brands lay siege to large structures as soon as they learn of an operation.
Now, Radio France operators use an headphone to overcome the lack of ATC: Bad stereo image.
