According to some who have heard both, the Volt midrange doesn't subjectively sound like the ATC either.Actually not very; these use an overhung VC where ATC uses an underhung VC.
According to some who have heard both, the Volt midrange doesn't subjectively sound like the ATC either.Actually not very; these use an overhung VC where ATC uses an underhung VC.
Yeah, these measurements confirm precisely how it is to work and listen to ATC 3-ways. That midrange is exceptional, and a testament to great engineering.
You need to have minimal reflections from the sidewalls and a dedicated listening position, and ideally, I find the speakers just work at their best in a soffit mount. Otherwise be prepared to make fairly substantial bass treatment. I know all speakers benefit from a good room, but there is no doubt ATC is a fairly bass light speaker when freestanding, and it is certainly not very well behaved on low-mid and low directivity, which seems to emphasize that part.In what respect? What do you recommend as to optimizing ATC's design?
Also as I had shown here in the past the Neumann KH420 mid dome bettered the ATC one of its predecessor in the frequency range it is was used.
With careful selection of competitors anything can be "proven", in this case the only 4" Uni-Q (of a narrow wireless "lifestyle" box).
comparing distortion measurements without known level is worthless at best and misleading at worst
When a speaker colours the sound such as ATC that is distortion.
Keith
also noise floor did affect the measurements, gear used, location of measurement and distance from the driver etc. all contribute to the distortion. Let alone neutrality and room reflection issues.. and from different sources the usefullness is also problematic. like the distortion of his own speaker in his room get quite nice distortion at -55db to -60db from fundamental at ~75db, but then from Amirm's distortion plot of the 8030C, which I believen none would say the driver is the lowest distortion SOTA one... and I personally don't think it can compare to the ATC mid driver or 3 way ATC drivers, but from the graph, from >150hz onward at 86db SPL @1m, it stays at the same 0.1%-0.2% distortion, which, if I put in on comparison...comparing distortion measurements without known level is worthless at best and misleading at worst
Okay, let's be clear here. Linear distortion is not the same as nonlinear. Linear is just EQ. Nonlinear is adding stuff that wasn't there. ATC has some linear distortion, but generally pretty low nonlinear.When a speaker colours the sound such as ATC that is distortion.
Keith
FWIW, I directly compared the DD8C and Kii to the SCM50ASL recently. Any of them is close enough to neutral that I could work comfortably, but to call the DD8C and the Kii "uncoloured" is blatantly incorrect. Just because it looks pretty on the Klippel doesn't necessarily guarantee its behavior.No not really their colouration is quite explicit when you compare them to uncoloured loudspeakers, it is always a question of audibility.
Keith
Yeah, the solution is not EQ. It's room treatment. EQ is not by any stretch of the imagination a panacea, despite what people here want to believe.You can’t eq out ATCs rough off-axis, with all due respect I lived with all those three speakers for four years and the 50s are coloured in comparison, bass light , with absolutely no adjustment, they were useful though because it made the 8`cs really easy to sell once a customer was able to compare both side by side.
IME the ‘prettier’ the measurements the more transparent the loudspeaker.
Keith
Both are extremely commonplace.Which monitors are more common in studios
Genelec or ATC?