Pearljam5000
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What do you mean by that?It's been said that Genelecs for instance, make *everything* sound good, so it's more difficult to mix properly on them
What do you mean by that?It's been said that Genelecs for instance, make *everything* sound good, so it's more difficult to mix properly on them
I don't know if this is a joke or not, but in any case weight is not a reliable indicator of quality or higher manufacturing costs for multiple reasons.At the price per kilo, atc is not expensive. Maybe the weight is the only objective parameter for a speaker.
They have probably the most comprehensive and consistent set of measurements on their site.Yes but they hide.
Frankly I don't even know why you're looking at these if you're in a 3m x 3m room.Does anyone know why the SCM110 costs less than Scm150?
My experience says that the Gens are somewhat flattering (at least, the 80x0 series) compared to other speakers - why this is I'm not quite sure (it may have to do with the more sloping sound power than other studio monitors, which tend to be a bit flatter in good designs) but I can say for a fact that mixes that sound "done" on the Gens sound not quite there yet on neumanns, atcs, etc.What do you mean by that?
The thing that frustrates me is that ATC themselves quote their speakers as being bass light. It'd be one thing if they had quoted good bass response and didn't, but considering the manufacturers themselves don't say they do...He goes on about how som people say the ATC are bass light, just after he bass boosted the, and how it not bass light but rather accurate
Again not a single measured response.
Fan boys of course lapping up and dreaming of these in the comments.
you know you want to believe there is a company all what they say they are but the one thing I have learned in this jaded world is that it most likely isn’t.
The thing that frustrates me is that ATC themselves quote their speakers as being bass light. It'd be one thing if they had quoted good bass response and didn't, but considering the manufacturers themselves don't say they do...
Since the latest Gens with GLM can be EQ'd to your needs, they can be made to sound like any monitors you want as long as you know the frequency curve preference you need.My experience says that the Gens are somewhat flattering (at least, the 80x0 series) compared to other speakers - why this is I'm not quite sure (it may have to do with the more sloping sound power than other studio monitors, which tend to be a bit flatter in good designs) but I can say for a fact that mixes that sound "done" on the Gens sound not quite there yet on neumanns, atcs, etc.
What's interesting to me is that this isn't the case with the 103x series Genelecs I've used and quite enjoyed (1031, 1030).
My guess would be it is to lower distortion. We'd never know if they succeded.Do they do that to optimize w/subwoofer performance?
Atc have a bass boost feature, have you use it ?The thing that frustrates me is that ATC themselves quote their speakers as being bass light. It'd be one thing if they had quoted good bass response and didn't, but considering the manufacturers themselves don't say they do...
Thing that gets to me about this and so many so called industry "engineers" is that they have zero actual concept of engineering practices and principles. Yet you get one semi successful client and suddenly you are an authority. I will admit when producing music there is a real art to switch off the analytical side and go all creative/art. But I feel the best is when you can switch between the artist and the producer/engineering side and be objective. Questions I always ask are does this actually sound balanced, are my monitors telling the actual truth, is this really better after mastering or just different, etc.The thing that frustrates me is that ATC themselves quote their speakers as being bass light. It'd be one thing if they had quoted good bass response and didn't, but considering the manufacturers themselves don't say they do...
No, as I don't own a pair. Regardless, it's a very broad Q low shelf that will affect up to about 200hz, so it's largely useless.Atc have a bass boost feature, have you use it ?
Yes, but I'm not talking about those. Note I specifically said 80 series. The 83s have that capability, the 80s do not (to my knowledge).Since the the latest Gens with GLM can be EQ'd to your needs, they can be made to sound like any monitors you want as long as you know the frequency curve preference you need.
Correct, this is just information for those unfamiliar with Genelec speakers. I didn't want people to feel that all Genelecs were somehow more innately flattering as a pro tool.Yes, but I'm not talking about those. Note I specifically said 80 series. The 83s have that capability, the 80s do not (to my knowledge).
Can we talk more about this! I am of the belief that as human beings, most people who are incredibly busy and specialized follow the general rule: "To a hammer, everything is a nail." In other words mixers and mastering engineers are all accustomed to a specific workflow that they have perfected, winning them awards within their genre but this does NOT mean that said award winning workflow can be implemented into a completely different genre. If the mastering engineer rebuilds his entire workflow and toolkit and looks at every new job with fresh eyes - that's brilliant. But the likelihood is that people have affirmation bias, believing their way is the best way because "awards" so why should they change? They put everything through their "hammer" and everything comes out a flattened "nail" - great if you're building tables for Cort, terrible if you're crafting a desk for the Queen of England.Thing that gets to me about this and so many so called industry "engineers" is that they have zero actual concept of engineering practices and principles. Yet you get one semi successful client and suddenly you are an authority. I will admit when producing music there is a real art to switch off the analytical side and go all creative/art. But I feel the best is when you can switch between the artist and the producer/engineering side and be objective. Questions I always ask are does this actually sound balanced, are my monitors telling the actual truth, is this really better after mastering or just different, etc.
Big names do not always mean stuff as I have had my music go to world class mastering engineers with many industry accolades come back sounding horrible with lower octaves all muddy or gone. Later when finding out they used NS10s for mastering or smaller monitors and no subs. These guys I can not comment on for their production work, but what I can say is they raise a lot of red flags and spout far too much rubbish.
Another producer who had also upgraded to ATC is John Sine here in Germany. He seems to mean well also but I can't help but wonder if these really are all they are cracked up to be. His room though he seems to have done correctly but again he only shows frequency response and not decay times which I find more important.
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That's the notion on GSCorrect, this is just information for those unfamiliar with Genelec speakers. I didn't want people to feel that all Genelecs were somehow more innately flattering as a pro tool.
Feel free to ship Amir a newer model to test.What model’s measurements did you see? Maybe in this ASR entry-line outdated HiFi version?
This is also for marketing their studio. Using popular, expensive equipment is one of factors that could attract new customers for small studios. But let you see how many 'popular, major, master class' engineers are using ATC... They don't select their "Main Tools" just by just marketing.