carnagymelton
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My fork doesn't change the taste of my steak. I don't need to blind test forks to be comfortable with that conclusion, no matter how much you think yours will make it taste better, nor how many others you've convinced it's true.
The issue with this site is that no effort is made to correlate measurement with what we perceive we hear. Theres no wider endeavour, and measurements are only half the story. There's blind acceptance that a limited set of steady state measurements of sufficiently low value completely define audibility and a total dismissal of anything that doesn't parallel that narrative.
While I largely align with that view, blind and level matched ab tests of nc400 and mod86p amps, with figures that are beyond reproach, has shown clearly audible differences that on the face of it the numbers don't support, but the confidence intervals don't lie...
Interesting. Any report about your blind test?While I largely align with that view, blind and level matched ab tests of nc400 and mod86p amps, with figures that are beyond reproach, has shown clearly audible differences that on the face of it the numbers don't support, but the confidence intervals don't lie...
How did you find this out?Well maybe I'm such an ignorant and believe what many reviews and websites state that, DACs indeed sound different between each other. At least I have find out the my Topping E30 sounds different than my Chord Mojo...
Exactly. I can CLEARLY, ABSOLUTELY CLEARLY hear the differences between tube amps and solid state/digital amps, and that's why although I have several amps, my favorite is my PRIMALUNA DIALOGUE PREMIUM HP tube amplifier!
Most probably: The Mojo was set in DAC mode (3V), the E30 was 2V... There you go.How did you find this out?
Why do you want an x-ray holographic DAC when you don't have an x-ray holographic amp "that reproduce it the way it sounds in real life, that's it, in the most possible precise and exact way." ?
https://www.stereophile.com/content/primaluna-dialogue-premium-hp-integrated-amplifier-measurements
So if true, you could absolutely do this in blind level matched comparisons. Have you done so?
I'm very careful not to overload my amps. Nor did I say I couldn't hear differences. So are you saying if you don't overload them, they sound the same to you?It's quite easy to hear the differences between a tube amplifier and a ss amplifier. "The basic cause of the difference in tube and transistor sound is the weighting of harmonic distortion in the amplifier's overload region. Transistor amplifiers exhibit a strong component of 3rd harmonic distortion when driven into overload. "
But forget about theory. If you can't hear the differences you really must have something wrong with your ears...
Not necessarily true at all! (Quite apart from the fact that there are plenty of amplifier designers out there who design solid state amplifiers to be 2nd harmonic dominant - it is not even difficult!) There is excellent evidence, pointed to earlier in this thread and elsewhere, that when blinded properly and level-matched, then there is no difference in the sound between competent valve and solid-state designs. Also when there is a sonic difference, it can be accounted for by frequency response differences due the the change in output impedance of the amplifiers interacting with the load impedance.It's quite easy to hear the differences between a tube amplifier and a ss amplifier. "The basic cause of the difference in tube and transistor sound is the weighting of harmonic distortion in the amplifier's overload region. Transistor amplifiers exhibit a strong component of 3rd harmonic distortion when driven into overload. "
But forget about theory. If you can't hear the differences you really must have something wrong with your ears...
agree with VintageFlanker, any transparent DAC is transparent. If it presents additional 3D imaging, or detail it probably is some coloration.
Ha! Somewhat related... I haven't tested it *blindly* but I swear my beer tastes better when I drink it from a glass than straight from the can in which I bought it.
snippage....
As I know NOT ALL DACs are the same, I'm asking for the DACs most close to perfection that you can recommend. It would be much easier for me to buy a p.o.s. $14.99 DAC...
I don't think they have to use the same exact reconstruction filter. If they don't use a good enough one it will not be transparent.To make this perhaps a bit more precise, is it correct to add, 'any transparent delta-sigma DAC is transparent' provided they both use the exact same Reconstruction Filter?
As I know NOT ALL DACs are the same, I'm asking for the DACs most close to perfection that you can recommend.
If all you're looking for is closeness to (objective) perfection, I suggest you simply look at this table and choose the DAC with the highest SINAD that you can afford.
Thank you for this example. I can ABSOLUTELY tell the difference between my Diet Coke when it comes in a glass bottle vs a plastic bottle. And the same goes when drinking from a paper cup, a plastic cup and a glass cup, being that the GLASS CUP or the GLASS BOTTLE brings the more NEUTRAL taste.
If all DACs were to sound the same what would be the reason for forums like this to exist? And the great comparison charts of recommended and NOT recommended DACs wouldn't have any purpose. Just buy a $50 DAC and that's all. OF COURSE all ZEROS and ONES sound the same and I'm against all kind of colorations and modifications made to the original sound. That's what I meant by DETAILED, TRANSPARENT, NEUTRAL or ANALYTICAL: to have the BEST RENDITION of the ZEROS and ONES as possible.
Why, if ZEROS and ONES sound the same, there are DACs that sound different? Because colorations aside, there must be SOMETHING WRONG in the design of those DACs that does not allow the DACs to create a faithful rendition of said ZEROS and ONES. Is not that the maker of the DAC is intending to introduce his own particular sound signature BUT that said maker BELIEVES he is doing a good job faithfully reproducing the 0 and 1 but have failed.
So, I want a PERFECT DAC that can PERFECTLY reproduce the ZEROS and ONES as they were recorded and by perfect I mean without any kind of elements or artifacts that don't belong to the original ZEROS and ONES.
So don't come here telling me that ALL DACs SOUND THE SAME because that would imply that all DACs are perfectly made, without any flaw that could alter the sound and so the great effort of the DAC COMPARISON CHART the owner of this forum have made wouldn't have any reason to exist.
As I know NOT ALL DACs are the same, I'm asking for the DACs most close to perfection that you can recommend. It would be much easier for me to buy a p.o.s. $14.99 DAC...