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Serious Question: How can DAC's have a SOUND SIGNATURE if they measure as transparent? Are that many confused?
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You were far more patient than I would have been.
I suspect simply to annoy you.
it is similar phenomema as measurements, one can measure but if not done with same equipment, space, time & environment its all account to subject and not comparable. the measurement devices in our field should be calibrated each time (i bet even ASR doesnnt spend 1k per review for calibrations) so they are all subject to errors... i bet whole audio industry believe blindly that the reviewer has Calibrated the measurement devices before each review and can trust the outcomes?
Simple example:
UMIK REW measurements -> calibrated fresh in factory ( temp, humidity etc. -> transfer via packages (shaking etc) -> you buy it -> should be re calibrated for accuracy current temp+hum ( look at the small sensor with zoom cam , dust particles, temp, hump all change outcome.).
it is all subjective until done correctly or proven as margin or errror.
Simple example:
UMIK REW measurements -> calibrated fresh in factory ( temp, humidity etc. -> transfer via packages (shaking etc) -> you buy it -> should be re calibrated for accuracy current temp+hum ( look at the small sensor with zoom cam , dust particles, temp, hump all change outcome.).
it is all subjective until done correctly or proven as margin or errror.
Just irony. But I need more strong proof.
I can't hear difference on filters of one DAC.
Why there is many of them? But I can hear different DAC obviously.
I use first (default). It does not annoy me if they sound totally same. But it force me to ask questions. If filter can affect sound signature theoretically why other DAC don't?
Perhaps. His posts came off as hostile before, but I attributed it to the language barrier.
The journey with these folks certainly has a rhythm: They perceive a difference, we doubt it, they become affronted (which is sort of understandable), they lash back claiming your ears aren’t as good. If they hang around we get to the “things that cannot be measured” debate. But always the hang up is the same - ASR generally demands evidence of assertions and this prompts either condescension towards knowledge and hearing, or outright claims that we are “deniers”.
Honestly, I don’t know which is funnier, accusing this community of being “deniers” or of lacking knowledge of the subject. Personally, having worked in retail audio many years ago, the assertion that working in audio retail constitutes any kind of audio expertise makes me laugh the loudest. I have yet to meet an audio salesman who spoke from fundamental sound and psychoacoustic concepts. Not once.
No one here designed that DAC. Which you know. Ergo, that is at best a rhetorical question.
A good salesman knows, you sell what you have. That often requires a certain flexibility in outlook and integrity.
Rhetorical question is in the head of theme.
I don't know what that means; but no one here can answer it, no matter how much you ask.
I never told that things can't be measured. Your generalisation is wrong.
It means
Serious Question: How can DAC's have a SOUND SIGNATURE if they measure as transparent? Are that many confused?
It is rhetorical question. Because if it were not rhetorical, it would have an answer.I think you biased.
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I suggest you keep asking then, using larger and larger bolded text.
Hostile? Only in your head.
best bet is to take the reviews with grain of salt until there is consistency within the spectum, everyone can say this and that. What i like about science is that you can allways second quess and until proven the point is valid. in my case i second guess the measurements but i migh be proven to correct my view.
After all its what makes science worth a dime,. Hence i wouldnt trust anyone else than my own ears to judge what works for me.
They are large emotions. World spanning and encompassing all time.
I would not buy bad measurement equipment. Also I know for every equipment there is the point where measurements above that point would not affect much or totally to human perception. 160 SINAD or 155. I can't even hear difference on some music tests.
Once I can't hear difference between 2 speaker on one simple song by Supertramp 1997 album intro. Until bass appeared.
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