However you won’t get any louder than around 80dBSPL at 40Hz, with two of them and a bit of help from the room you can not reach 90dBSPL even.
Exactly what i said Desktop speakers.
However you won’t get any louder than around 80dBSPL at 40Hz, with two of them and a bit of help from the room you can not reach 90dBSPL even.
Please read about the preference score to understand it.It is speculation that the user will be employing subs, that is speculation. When we take it as a given, how does it calculate for subs of unknown ability, quantity and integration?
I didn’t say score doesn’t work. I said I lost trust with it. Its not the same. I am an experienced speaker designer with multiple degrees related to speakers. In order to critique something you must understand it first.I thought you was of the opinion the preference score didn't work, at least not well enough, didn't you start a thread to that effect?
It is speculation that the user will be employing subs, that is speculation. When we take it as a given, how does it calculate for subs of unknown ability, quantity and integration?
I thought you was of the opinion the preference score didn't work, at least not well enough, didn't you start a thread to that effect?
This car would be suitable for your average 2,2 children. If you try and squeeze the 3 you will be having difficulties closing the doors and reaching top speed on a steep gradient.
Two people agreeing, yet still arguing. That is pure ASR gold right there. Every day all day long!It shouldn't be hard to get because I am saying exactly what you say but you are arguing.
You are free to define anything as you please for yourself but for the industry and the market a subwoofer is expected to operate at the very least to 80Hz,A Subwoofer should be filling in that bottom zone ... if it is stretching up above 50 or 60 Hz it really isn't a subwoofer any more, but a woofer
Bingo. That is why they use a subwoofer.In most Sub / Satellite systems, the Sub is absolutely NOT a subwoofer - the designer is merely taking advantage of our inability to localise lower frequencies by building a system based around a single woofer unit with dual Mid/high "bookshelf" (or "lifestyle") speakers.
Have a specific link/paper?Please read about the preference score to understand it.
You are a speaker designer with multiple degrees related to speakers. I am not, nor do I want to do the kind and amount of reading that if I did it at university, I too may have multiple degrees on the subject. Should I just stop using the forum or is there some middle ground that exists?I didn’t say score doesn’t work. I said I lost trust with it. Its not the same. I am an experienced speaker designer with multiple degrees related to speakers. In order to critique something you must understand it first.
https://www.aes.org/e-lib/browse.cfm?elib=12794Have a specific link/paper?
I respect that as long as you also respect the same can be true for me too.I don't have the time/interest/energy to become educated about the topic to the extent that you are.
Subwoofers long predated the home theatre definitions which specify 80HzYou are free to define anything as you please for yourself but for the industry and the market a subwoofer is expected to operate at the very least to 80Hz,
Bingo. That is why they use a subwoofer.
As I said you can call anything you want but that will stop many, like me, not able to communicate with you as you use your own vocabulary.Subwoofers long predated the home theatre definitions which specify 80Hz
In simple terms - a traditional "FULL RANGE" - speaker would have a Woofer, midrange and tweeter.
With a Woofer providing the bass, a traditional full range speaker would extend down to at least below 40Hz and often down below 30Hz
By definition, a SUB-Woofer is design to extend the audible range beyond what you get with a Full Range speaker - hence below 40Hz
And yes, marketing likes to re-define terms that are useful to them, frequently making oxymorons in the process.
As an aside, a woofer designed to fill in below 40Hz might well have response up to 80Hz, and obviously for decent response below 40Hz, you would need the crossover to be at 60Hz as a minimum, and probably higher.... which takes us back to 80Hz - as a crossover frequency - but not as a frequency at which the Sub is designed to have substantive output.
In the world of audio, I wonder why we don't have more fights over the different colors of speakers coloring the sound.Makes no sense to fight about the definiton whats a subwoofer is.
I know you're joking but interior design should have a greater importance in the Hi-Fi community.In the world of audio, I wonder why we don't have more fights over the different colors of speakers coloring the sound.
Art combined with art,nice music,nice pictures on the walls,cozy chairs and sofas,nothing can beat that.I know you're joking but interior design should have a greater importance in the Hi-Fi community.
You immerse yourself more easily into the music when you're comfortable and in a good mood. I'm striving towards creating a cozy listening space.
Heck yeah! And a nice beverage like a specialty coffee/beer/wine/spirit.Art combined with art,nice music,nice pictures on the walls,cozy chairs and sofas,nothing can beat that.
I know you're joking but interior design should have a greater importance in the Hi-Fi community.
You immerse yourself more easily into the music when you're comfortable and in a good mood. I'm striving towards creating a cozy listening space.
Smokin a fat one, a nice ice tea, then a,Art combined with art,nice music,nice pictures on the walls,cozy chairs and sofas,nothing can beat that.