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I actually already have this installedOr get a mount that drops it down when viewing. Your neck will thank you too.
I actually already have this installedOr get a mount that drops it down when viewing. Your neck will thank you too.
Won’t work in the spaceWhy not raise the tv a couple of inches?
Depends on your budget, but probably the best KEF or Revel at your budget. The KEF R3 can be found at a quite good price these days.If I were to skip the center, what would you guys recommend?
How about Ascend Sierra LX's, maybe.Ok, so if I’m spending $1700 for some bookshelf speakers and skipping the center, the KEF R3? any others thr would be better?
For home cinema (in untreated rooms) , I would definitely go with KEF (active with Genelec concentric). Their concentric mid/tweeter and more narrow dispersion give a precise sound stage, which is something you want if you dispense with a center (yes I also would try without center). If you rather have larger ones than the R3 than look into the KEF R5 (plus a sub or later a second one) or R7 etc. Spent the most of your budget on speakers.How do you guys feel about Dali Oberon?
Ascend accoustics actually have a center that would meet my criteria - the duo v2How about Ascend Sierra LX's, maybe.
Again. Have a look at the spinorama database to which I posted the link above and repost again here:Ascend accoustics actually have a center that would meet my criteria - the duo v2
DUO V2 LCR CENTER
Our No-Compromise Ultra-High-Performance Compact LCR Speaker New Klippel NFS optimized version! With the success and overwhelming feedback from our Luna mini-monitor, it was time to take that same formula and apply it to a speaker designed specifically for use as both a main and center...ascendacoustics.com
Would this work with the sierra lx’s? Is this center also a bad option? They have another bookshelf that seems to be in the same line:
SIERRA-2EX V2 PAIR
Our New Benchmark Bookshelf Ribbon Speaker New Klippel NFS optimized version! Using high resolution 360-degree measurements generated by our Klippel NFS, we developed a new method of integrating our Sierra-2 RAAL ribbon with our EX woofer, greatly improving directivity and providing a more...ascendacoustics.com
Are these bookshelf speakers good too? If you guys recommend these, I could potentially start off with the bookshelves and later upgrade to add the center…
Ascend accoustics actually have a center that would meet my criteria - the duo v2
DUO V2 LCR CENTER
Our No-Compromise Ultra-High-Performance Compact LCR Speaker New Klippel NFS optimized version! With the success and overwhelming feedback from our Luna mini-monitor, it was time to take that same formula and apply it to a speaker designed specifically for use as both a main and center...ascendacoustics.com
Would this work with the sierra lx’s? Is this center also a bad option? They have another bookshelf that seems to be in the same line:
SIERRA-2EX V2 PAIR
Our New Benchmark Bookshelf Ribbon Speaker New Klippel NFS optimized version! Using high resolution 360-degree measurements generated by our Klippel NFS, we developed a new method of integrating our Sierra-2 RAAL ribbon with our EX woofer, greatly improving directivity and providing a more...ascendacoustics.com
Are these bookshelf speakers good too? If you guys recommend these, I could potentially start off with the bookshelves and later upgrade to add the center…
The Sierra 2EXs should be good. The center has the same issue as so many other MTM designs, which is poor off axis response.Ascend accoustics actually have a center that would meet my criteria - the duo v2
DUO V2 LCR CENTER
Our No-Compromise Ultra-High-Performance Compact LCR Speaker New Klippel NFS optimized version! With the success and overwhelming feedback from our Luna mini-monitor, it was time to take that same formula and apply it to a speaker designed specifically for use as both a main and center...ascendacoustics.com
Would this work with the sierra lx’s? Is this center also a bad option? They have another bookshelf that seems to be in the same line:
SIERRA-2EX V2 PAIR
Our New Benchmark Bookshelf Ribbon Speaker New Klippel NFS optimized version! Using high resolution 360-degree measurements generated by our Klippel NFS, we developed a new method of integrating our Sierra-2 RAAL ribbon with our EX woofer, greatly improving directivity and providing a more...ascendacoustics.com
Are these bookshelf speakers good too? If you guys recommend these, I could potentially start off with the bookshelves and later upgrade to add the center…
Can’t find any used speakers that meet my criteria.They (used speakers) are if they only cost $150, sound good, and are built to a high standard like the Kef. Plus a lot a these can be had new from the warehouse inventrory of some defunct bricks and mortar home theater retailer (Circuit City, anyone?)
Never thought about this. Lol my wife would shoot me…I seem to post my opinion every time the center speaker comes up, so I do it again:
As said before, the center will carry a lot auf audio as in a Dolby or whatever encoding for music, a lot goes there, even more for upmixed stuff as that captures the center oriented part easily. Hence, the center needs to be good. For movies, it plays most of the conversation. And as most movies are about talked words, this is super important too. But dedicated center speakers are optimised for being place flat under a screen and are hence always an expensive compromise. So I would use two identical main speakers left and right from your TV. That gives you the best of all worlds. It may be expensive, depending on your mains. For a new system I think that for the price of a 2good+1center you get a 4xalmostashood that sounds better.
Only real trouble is the cabling, as one needs either 2x8ohms into a 4 ohm channel or a dual amp.
Very interesting read. Thanks for posting. I’m trying to understand this MTM issue and currently watching Erin’s video…By all accounts, the new NFS optimized speakers from Ascend are very good to excellent.
BUT... When I look at the measurements, the horizontal beam width chart is omitted. (It is there for the bookshelves!) The only directivity chart is this one, which still hints at the problem inherent to horizontal MTM designs:
The person in the center seat will hear a broad BBC dip. The side seats will hear a deeper version of that dip. How much does that really matter in practice? See my thoughts and measurements here:
How Bad are those MTM Center Speakers in Practice in Reality? Revel C25 Content Inside
As I read through the reviews of 2 way MTM center channel speakers and contemplate their dismal horizontal directivity in context with the application of the Revel C25 in my media room, I cannot help but wonder how much it matters and whether we are making too much of it. I love audio science...www.audiosciencereview.com
amazing information! I’m currently deep in this rabbit hole…For home cinema (in untreated rooms) , I would definitely go with KEF (active with Genelec concentric). Their concentric mid/tweeter and more narrow dispersion give a precise sound stage, which is something you want if you dispense with a center (yes I also would try without center). If you rather have larger ones than the R3 than look into the KEF R5 (plus a sub or later a second one) or R7 etc. Spent the most of your budget on speakers.
The Dalib have never been measured afik so you simply don’t know what you are getting.
Here is a database of all the measured speakers with the Tonality score as a rough indicator of their fidelity (conformance with Harman curve).
A collection of loudspeakers measurements
www.spinorama.org
After watching the video and reading your thread I’m not sure this MTM problem will be such an issue for me. You make some good points. I’m also generally directly in front of the tv while watching and my family would be more than content with just tv speakers… and probably couldn’t tell the difference between tv speakers and $5k KEF speakers. Also, correct me if I’m wrong but sounds like it wouldn’t impact listening to music.By all accounts, the new NFS optimized speakers from Ascend are very good to excellent.
BUT... When I look at the measurements, the horizontal beam width chart is omitted. (It is there for the bookshelves!) The only directivity chart is this one, which still hints at the problem inherent to horizontal MTM designs:
The person in the center seat will hear a broad BBC dip. The side seats will hear a deeper version of that dip. How much does that really matter in practice? See my thoughts and measurements here:
afterHow Bad are those MTM Center Speakers in Practice in Reality? Revel C25 Content Inside
As I read through the reviews of 2 way MTM center channel speakers and contemplate their dismal horizontal directivity in context with the application of the Revel C25 in my media room, I cannot help but wonder how much it matters and whether we are making too much of it. I love audio science...www.audiosciencereview.com
Probably going to go with the R3’s. My wife even signed off on the walnut color one. There’s a chance I won’t be able to fit the R2c when I’m looking to get a center speaker. Would it be terrible if I eventually matched them with one of the low profile Kef sound bar/ center channel speakers (that can apparently use all 3 channels for the center channel) or one of the Goldenear centers?
HTC8001 Center Channel Speaker
Delivering on the promise of KEF's legendary sound quality and rock solid sonic imaging, the HTC8001 produces the home theatre's center channel content from a single acoustically inert aluminium enclosure that combines the performance of three discrete loudspeakers into one single experience.us.kef.com