Yes, it would be better if you showed some ABX result instead of telling usand i dont have to tell you that 320kbit spotify always sounded worse than ...
There is more gold there to be found:Two random quotes:
Tape? Mkay.. never knew you’d need 32 bit audio for that..This leading-edge system has achieved unprecedented sonority and musicality, reproducing as closely as possible the sound of the original master tape!
What a load of bull..The benefits of Ultra HD 32-Bit Mastering:
Ambience of Analogue Sound
Higher Resolution
Undistorted Dynamics
The Lowest Noise Floor, allowing even the quietest musical information to be heard more clearly!
Richer Sound Field
Master-Tape Quality Sound!!!
Delivers what musicians originally intended!
You could guarantee that by not looking at any others, but I think you may be safe on that anyway.I hope this is the most fxked-up thread I see today.
How did you make the ogg file?This thread inspired me to do an ABX test. I could always tell between 320kbps MP3 and FLAC but the difference 320kbps OGG Vorbis & FLAC, I can almost tell.
foo_abx 2.0.6d report
foobar2000 v1.6.8
2021-12-30 06:29:08
File A: 01. Conway Twitty - Slow Hand.flac
SHA1: e007e2d0adbaa7b68cd0d1b68efe821e6a1c945d
File B: 01. Conway Twitty - Slow Hand.ogg
SHA1: 61f4507483b68e2c011194302d9c1678fecb686a
Output:
WASAPI (event) : Speakers (TOPPING USB DAC), 16-bit
Crossfading: NO
06:29:08 : Test started.
06:31:27 : 00/01
06:32:45 : 00/02
06:33:28 : 00/03
06:34:08 : 00/04
06:35:22 : 00/05
06:35:51 : 00/06
06:36:37 : 01/07
06:37:06 : 02/08
06:37:06 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 2/8
p-value: 0.9648 (96.48%)
-- signature --
3ed66ee7a648e527e809a364c812a77665dd2bcb
I converted the FLAC to OGG Vorbis 320kbps (Q9.0) using Foobar2000How did you make the ogg file?
nice im too lazy for it is this a function in foobar?This thread inspired me to do an ABX test. I could always tell between 320kbps MP3 and FLAC but the difference 320kbps OGG Vorbis & FLAC, I can almost tell.
foo_abx 2.0.6d report
foobar2000 v1.6.8
2021-12-30 06:29:08
File A: 01. Conway Twitty - Slow Hand.flac
SHA1: e007e2d0adbaa7b68cd0d1b68efe821e6a1c945d
File B: 01. Conway Twitty - Slow Hand.ogg
SHA1: 61f4507483b68e2c011194302d9c1678fecb686a
Output:
WASAPI (event) : Speakers (TOPPING USB DAC), 16-bit
Crossfading: NO
06:29:08 : Test started.
06:31:27 : 00/01
06:32:45 : 00/02
06:33:28 : 00/03
06:34:08 : 00/04
06:35:22 : 00/05
06:35:51 : 00/06
06:36:37 : 01/07
06:37:06 : 02/08
06:37:06 : Test finished.
----------
Total: 2/8
p-value: 0.9648 (96.48%)
-- signature --
3ed66ee7a648e527e809a364c812a77665dd2bcb
ABX log please.I could always tell between 320kbps MP3 and FLAC
You can't 'almost tell' whether there's a difference between two things. You either can or you can't, and your ABX results clearly show you can't tell a difference between 320 kbps OGG Vorbis and FLAC.but the difference 320kbps OGG Vorbis & FLAC, I can almost tell
there is a clear tendency tho, thats why i think blind tests are flawed, just because you are not 95% right doesnt mean you cant hear a difference... actually our mind gets too easy confused if you switch sources like that... ( tho listen for one week mp3 and then flac again and it becomes obvious again because the mind had a week to "remember" the sound signature and hears the sudden change (atleast thats me but this kind of testing is way easier imo and just works for me) )You can't 'almost tell' whether there's a difference between two things. You either can or you can't. And your ABX results clearly show you can't tell a difference between 320 kbps OGG Vorbis and FLAC.
Auditory memory is only a few seconds long at best. After a week, all notion of a reference is gone, and replaced with your cognitive bias.tho listen for one week mp3 and then flac again and it becomes obvious again because the mind had a week to "remember" the sound signature and hears the sudden change (atleast thats me but this kind of testing is way easier imo and just works for me) )
That's why I can almost tell the difference between a OGG Vorbis and a FLAC. OGG Vorbis is a very good lossy codec. The top end of the Vorbis sounds a bit weaker than the FLAC but overall they sounded very similar.ABX log please.
You can't 'almost tell' whether there's a difference between two things. You either can or you can't, and your ABX results clearly show you can't tell a difference between 320 kbps OGG Vorbis and FLAC.
this is what i mean, pretty sure i will hear it after 1-5 songs the day you changed it (if i had a week flac before, didnt hear other setups and specially listened to the same songs before, at best multiple times)Let’s have you listen to FLAC for a week, and then the next week, one one of the days, I’ll switch over.. now let’s see if you can tell me the day?
You don't have to be 95% right. You have to be right enough times so that p-value is less than 0.05. You can do 30 trials with only 20 correct (66% right) and it will still be a significant result. It will show that you probably can hear a difference, but it will also suggest that the difference is very small (so just avoid saying that it is night and day difference )just because you are not 95% right doesnt mean you cant hear a difference
I’m pretty sure you can’t, and there is no research to suggest otherwise.this is what i mean, pretty sure i will hear it after 1-5 songs the day you changed it (if i had a week flac before, didnt hear other setups and specially listened to the same songs before, at best multiple times)
Classical argument against blind tests. That one really gets old fast.and thats why i dont like blind testing, you get so confused with close listening and switching back and forth that this will introduce errors (again, maybe thats just me...)