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Tidal: 6 Months Left
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I'm crying already to see poor people go. But it's the audiophile community who is going to feel the negative impact most. They'll be the one searching for a new home.
We are living some very harsh times...
Time for iTunes, Roon and analog LPs.
We are living some very harsh times...
Time for iTunes, Roon and analog LPs.
Making money from distribution of music is darn near impossible. The only success stories are those who sell other goods (Apple, Amazon, Google, etc.).
FYI I funded a start-up going back some 15+ years ago to stream lossless music. I hate to see us without that option. I wonder how that can by itself be a viable market. Would people pay more than they are right now to Tidal for that? I know I will. It is saving me ton of money buying CDs.
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Marvel and DC comics are doing great in Hollywood.
Amazon no doubt.
Twitter* is becoming popular with our leaders and TV channel announcers.
YouTube got good music, with moving pictures.
Tidal was perfect for the car in that center console screen.
* You guys tweet much?
• https://thenextweb.com/twitter/
Amazon no doubt.
Twitter* is becoming popular with our leaders and TV channel announcers.
YouTube got good music, with moving pictures.
Tidal was perfect for the car in that center console screen.
* You guys tweet much?
• https://thenextweb.com/twitter/
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If Tidal shuts down, I’ll have to re-evaluate whether I continue to use Roon. I love Roon but Jriver is great too. For me, Tidal integration was the big advantage to using Roon.
OTOH, Jriver’s advantage is its versatility. I can switch between watching Verizon Fios TV, Blu-ray movie and listening to music. I can’t do that with Roon.
OTOH, Jriver’s advantage is its versatility. I can switch between watching Verizon Fios TV, Blu-ray movie and listening to music. I can’t do that with Roon.
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I wonder how it can cost anywhere close to as much for music streaming, even in CD lossless compared to say Netflix video. I'm not in the business so I reckon somehow it does. Something seems off with that at a glance. Is it because in the time to stream one movie, and pay the industry one cut for 2 hrs one might stream 40 songs and have to pay a cut from each song?
The problem is the business model/royalty scheme. The music industry was enjoying the drug of selling a CD for $13 and before that the LP. Now you can subscribe to all you can eat for less than the price of one CD! For that reason, both the video and music content owners hate, hate, hate subscription services. As such, they do everything they can to boost their royalties and if that means the music distributor goes out of business, so be it.
The same is also true of video. The difference there is that old video/movie has little video. So Netflix was able to license a bunch of that for a song. That is not the case with music. Beatles music is old but highly desirable. New movies are expensive though and studios want to sell it at retail instead of Netflix showing it under subscription. So what does Netflix do? Create its own content! Much like HBO did before that. And broadcast TV did the same with mini-series and such.
Technology has moves so much faster than business models for distributing music and video.
The same is also true of video. The difference there is that old video/movie has little video. So Netflix was able to license a bunch of that for a song. That is not the case with music. Beatles music is old but highly desirable. New movies are expensive though and studios want to sell it at retail instead of Netflix showing it under subscription. So what does Netflix do? Create its own content! Much like HBO did before that. And broadcast TV did the same with mini-series and such.
Technology has moves so much faster than business models for distributing music and video.
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And we knew that this would happen. Like Michael said when Jay-Z was trying to sell desperately.
Credit to them, bad time for Jay-Z as his roc nation boxing promotion company has been a disaster too. He seems to get into difficulties when being jay-Z is not enough.
For tidal to have been successful they would need the music industry to recognise the value of the extra quality on offer and give them a discounted royalty charge... else tidal are stuck with charging more and ultimately having less customers as the larger subscription services. In a very competitive market when you make so little as amir pointed out volume is key, plus there will be (is) other lossless companies popping up diluting tidal market share potential so not a great investment.
Nothings in their favour but got to thank them for being the first to really push this level of quality and service. Hope Roon survives as I’m sure Michael won’t be the only person thinking of ditching it if tidal... drowns.
For tidal to have been successful they would need the music industry to recognise the value of the extra quality on offer and give them a discounted royalty charge... else tidal are stuck with charging more and ultimately having less customers as the larger subscription services. In a very competitive market when you make so little as amir pointed out volume is key, plus there will be (is) other lossless companies popping up diluting tidal market share potential so not a great investment.
Nothings in their favour but got to thank them for being the first to really push this level of quality and service. Hope Roon survives as I’m sure Michael won’t be the only person thinking of ditching it if tidal... drowns.
May Jay Z and his gangster crew's Tidal go down like like the Titanic.
Marry Christmas, Ho Ho Ho.
Marry Christmas, Ho Ho Ho.
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You're just sore because Jay Z went to the MQA. Hey!
Well there is that. LOL
The solution is an agreement between the streaming companies to stop competing on price, and start competing on content - and raise the baseline subscription price to 25 USD a month for example. Spotify's free tier option should have been discarded long ago. Plus aggressive legal action against illegal downloading and piracy.
Is such business collusion legal?
You're right. Not legal. Except if we can get an international treaty regulating this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_fixing
If you read the Roon forum discussion on this they are in some deep denial on this subject.
I’m a big Roon fan especially for its direct connect to my Kef LS50W speakers and use it with Tidal extensively.
I pay for Tidal, Pandora. and Apple Music.
I like MQA on Tidal a lot but if Tidal goes my iTunes library and FLAC files can fill in but there is currently no streaming option for Roon other than Tidal. I’m going to guess not too many other streaming companies want their interface usurped by Roon.
Tidal is out of investors and their owners show no signs of putting their own money in.
People still seem to be surprised to hear Spotify has never made a profit and shows no signs of doing so anytime soon.
I’m a big Roon fan especially for its direct connect to my Kef LS50W speakers and use it with Tidal extensively.
I pay for Tidal, Pandora. and Apple Music.
I like MQA on Tidal a lot but if Tidal goes my iTunes library and FLAC files can fill in but there is currently no streaming option for Roon other than Tidal. I’m going to guess not too many other streaming companies want their interface usurped by Roon.
Tidal is out of investors and their owners show no signs of putting their own money in.
People still seem to be surprised to hear Spotify has never made a profit and shows no signs of doing so anytime soon.
I use Tidal and generally like it, but, for four reasons, I still maintain a large collection of music on hard disks, mostly ripped from digital discs.
- First, I worry that Tidal et al. will switch to MQA (or some other proprietary format) and require users to use special hardware to get acceptable performance.
- Second, it seems possible that the lossless services could disappear.
- Third, the selection of classical music on Tidal is suboptimal.
- Fourth, HDTracks charges way too much for downloads. (And HDTracks' download interface is worse than appalling, but that's a different subject.) I'll maintain my library just to know that I won't have to repay for the same tracks all over again.
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Do you have a link? I’d like to read it.
There are several
https://community.roonlabs.com/c/roon/tidal
https://community.roonlabs.com/c/roon/tidal
