I'd get $4000 worth of bitcoin and buy some $8000 speakers 3 months later.
In the end, it always comes to hedonism vs untouched art, which is a difference I'm happy to stop at.I'd submit that personal preference is the only thing that is real and matters, to any given person (mine to me, yours to you).
It's irrelevant that preferences may adjust with time; a person's current preferences are all that matters.
My preference may not be aligned with theirs.
Their preference does not matter to me, nor do I consider it some sacred thing that must be preserved.
That's just the Harman curve? Nothing revolutionary here. I do prefer B&K's, though, but the difference between those is quite small and dependant on the room's absorption spectrum.Whenever I scientifically measure with a calibrated mic, apply DSP to integrate multiple subwoofers, and tune the bass with a +6dB rising house curve as it slopes to 20Hz... that's simultaneously scientific, and embracing my preference.
You know fully well that it's just a wording, as OP is clearly asking for recommendations for himself.A reminder that this thread is titled, "You have $4000. What speakers do you buy?".
That's entirely about personal preference.
You know fully well that it's just a wording, as OP is clearly asking for recommendations for himself.
Do you have amplification? If so what.Let's say you have $4000 and you want to buy a pair of speakers. You can spend less, but not more than $4000. What make and model would you purchase? Bookshelves? Floor standers? What would you purchase and WHY would you but that make and model? Please recommend something that is currently produced.
I’m with q3cpma on this one. How would the OP know how much money I have to spend?I don't know that, and neither do you. We both applied our own interpretation of what the OP was asking, and that's fine. Since the OP didn't specify a use-case or requirements beyond price, it's not unreasonable to assume they're just examining how other people approach the question, rather than actually looking for recommendations for themselves.
Are you going to answer the OP's question, or will you simply focus on nitpicking other people's posts?
I don't know that, and neither do you. We both applied our own interpretation of what the OP was asking, and that's fine. Since the OP didn't specify a use-case or requirements beyond price, it's not unreasonable to assume they're just examining how other people approach the question, rather than actually looking for recommendations for themselves.
It's clearly not a free-for-all. Which would be quite uninteresting, to be honest.Please recommend something that is currently produced.
Ehhhh, probably something from Genelec or Neumann, knowing myself. Just tired of living another eternal september, I should really either ignore the overrun or just delete my account and only read the reviews.Are you going to answer the OP's question, or will you simply focus on nitpicking other people's posts?
Regarding - How many don't - I don't know as i'm almost certain neither do you. Pretty safe bet most people listen to music using speakers. Seems as if your trying to create controversy where none is needed.
Regarding - Only when their bad comment- Speakers ( plus the room ) are the final tool in the chain to produce the music we hear. Good or bad.
Regarding - Remains to be proved, in the case of people with normal/non-damaged hearing.- I' assume you meant remains to be proven. Talk with any Otolaryngologists and I'm sure he or she will confirm, people hear things differently, whether to hearing loss, normal hearing, extraordinary hearing, dry ear, fluid in ear, etc. All of these things effect the way you or anyone else interprets sound. Point is, just because you hear one thing from a certain speaker, they next guy may hear something else.
To your last point regarding my reasoning- My statements shouldn't be controversial on any forum. You can say what you like, science can say what is accurate, my point was and still is, regardless of either. People do have their own preferences especially when it comes to speakers. We do listen to music coming from the speakers.
While the science says a more flat response is correct, that doesn't change the fact that not everyone prefers a flat response. Think of all the bad measuring speakers out there. One example, the Klipsch ( heresy, cornwall, heritage ) speakers. While they are a nightmare with the measurements, yet they still seem to have loyal following of people who just adore them. Although most folks i know don't like them, they have a sound signature that some folks do prefer.
Which comes down to what i stated earlier, most people have their own personal preference when it comes to speakers. That's why when it comes to people asking for recommendations, I'm not sure how I can be wrong by telling someone the best advice is to go and audition them for yourself.
As to your ketchup gourmet scenario, that's just being silly. ( real men use mustard ) Who are you or i to say who is or isn't a gourmet because of whatever ingredient they choose to use. It's no different, when people start arguing over, what is an audiophile. Who cares? If someone enjoys and loves listening to music, want to call him or herself an audiophile, well then good for them. Whatever equipment you choose to get you there and accomplishes your goal of audio nirvana, in the end usually boils down to some form of personal preference. Neither science nor our ears are perfect. Measurements are great and all, but as alot of people would agree who have or use any type of room correction software tools, in the end a little user personal preference tweaking occurs.
As for Klipsch. I'm sure there are those that really do prefer those speakers, but I'd bet most of them wouldn't actually pick them under blind conditions .
I’m with q3cpma on this one. How would the OP know how much money I have to spend?
How many don't? More specifically: how many don't when blinded and not looking at their shiny baubles? Anyway, it makes sense to consider that such a general question comes from someone who listen to music using speakers, and not speakers themselves. The neurotic gear obsessed people probably already know what they want, and would add a bit more detail to the question.
Only when they're bad (inb4 circle of confusion).
Remains to be proved, in the case of people with normal/non-damaged hearing.
Your reasoning would be non controversial in an audiophile forum. I'm pretty sure preference does exist in the case of people listening to speakers, that's the entire point of the hobby, but not so much in the case of this other hobby called music listening.
People who put ketchup on everything they eat aren't gourmets, they're just ketchup fans.
With that kind of reasoning, you can't even be sure that OP asks a question and wants an answer.I don't know that, and neither do you. We both applied our own interpretation of what the OP was asking, and that's fine. Since the OP didn't specify a use-case or requirements beyond price, it's not unreasonable to assume they're just examining how other people approach the question, rather than actually looking for recommendations for themselves.
Are you going to answer the OP's question, or will you simply focus on nitpicking other people's posts?