Stands cost more than the M16s..Man that is a good deal for under $700. Love those freaking stands that guy has.
Stands cost more than the M16s..Man that is a good deal for under $700. Love those freaking stands that guy has.
How do you connect the sub currently?Hello everyone. new guy here. I have the M16's and I use them as monitors in my PC room which is 12x12. They are the best I have ever heard in my system. I run them with a Krell Kav 400xi, and a PS Audio DAC straight from my pc at 192kz. I also use a M&K MX125 sub @80hz. I really like the sound.
But I do have a complaint. The Krell can overdrive these very easily below 60hz at high volume. So I am looking for a way to "cross" them over in my system. Anyone have any ideas?
FYI, the Krell is a very good amp rated @200 wpc, which is double the speakers rating.
Thanks.
What do you mean by overdrive them below 60hz? Do you mean you hear distortion? What spl is the overdriving occurring?Hello everyone. new guy here. I have the M16's and I use them as monitors in my PC room which is 12x12. They are the best I have ever heard in my system. I run them with a Krell Kav 400xi, and a PS Audio DAC straight from my pc at 192kz. I also use a M&K MX125 sub @80hz. I really like the sound.
But I do have a complaint. The Krell can overdrive these very easily below 60hz at high volume. So I am looking for a way to "cross" them over in my system. Anyone have any ideas?
FYI, the Krell is a very good amp rated @200 wpc, which is double the speakers rating.
Thanks.
Hello everyone. new guy here. I have the M16's and I use them as monitors in my PC room which is 12x12. They are the best I have ever heard in my system. I run them with a Krell Kav 400xi, and a PS Audio DAC straight from my pc at 192kz. I also use a M&K MX125 sub @80hz. I really like the sound.
But I do have a complaint. The Krell can overdrive these very easily below 60hz at high volume. So I am looking for a way to "cross" them over in my system. Anyone have any ideas?
FYI, the Krell is a very good amp rated @200 wpc, which is double the speakers rating.
Thanks.
i assume you must be pushing these dB wise...I mean I listen at 60-85dB with no problem using the full bandwidth.....Thats is a good idea- plugging the ports. I will try that. I do not know the exact spl where this is happing at. I just know that the woofers begin to distort due to low bass info. I first thought it was the sub so I removed it from the equasion. It is the M16 distorting. I think the Krell is actualy overdriving the speaker. More low bass than the speaker can handle I believe. I contacted HK about this and they told me I need to cross them over @ 60 to 80hz, which I understand. However, with my Scan Speak drivers (custom built) I dont have this problem (same size cab and driver). Yet the midrange from these M16's is simpling very good. Excellant synergy, which I wish to retain. Oh, and BTW, I connect the sub directly from the Krell.
Remember that the speakers power spec is for driver failure, and then there is no standard. Most of the time we only use a couple of watts, that's why I asked at what spl. Changing the roll off of speaker, as mentioned, would be the easiest way and I'd move the Sub crossover up to 100hz at least, afterwards.Thats is a good idea- plugging the ports. I will try that. I do not know the exact spl where this is happing at. I just know that the woofers begin to distort due to low bass info. I first thought it was the sub so I removed it from the equasion. It is the M16 distorting. I think the Krell is actualy overdriving the speaker. More low bass than the speaker can handle I believe. I contacted HK about this and they told me I need to cross them over @ 60 to 80hz, which I understand. However, with my Scan Speak drivers (custom built) I dont have this problem (same size cab and driver). Yet the midrange from these M16's is simpling very good. Excellant synergy, which I wish to retain. Oh, and BTW, I connect the sub directly from the Krell.
Always wanted to hear these and picked up a pair during the sale.
I still need a week for my brain EQ to settle but they sound good. If they sound good before brain EQ, you know they're good speakers. Immediately hit them with Dirac slightly above the room transition frequency like I do with all speakers to integrate my room and subwoofer. Not sure where the brightness complaints are coming from. With the small dip in the presence region and early roll-off, if anything these speakers are slightly laid back, although still very neutral. Also, my room EQ smashed down the bass hump and they'd be even softer in default form. The dip in the presence region leads to vocals and some instruments being pushed back compared to the A130/A170 I've had most recently. The JBLs are certainly more energetic and the M16s take some volume to get going like others have stated.
I’m not sure of your question. But the m16s like many bs speakers like a bit of power. It’s how they squeeze great results out of a small box. At the listening level you mention you have a great speaker with even a modest amp.I'm a bit concern with the volume. I listen between 70-75dB. You think that's enough?
The M16 will have no problem reaching those levels in a medium sized room at normal listening distances.I'm a bit concern with the volume. I listen between 70-75dB. You think that's enough?
I had the DBR62. The dispersion was too wide for my 11.5' wide room. Ditto for the Aria 906, which have the highest preference score of all three IIRC. Some people might prefer the extra dispersion in a narrow room, but I like higher fidelity and I cross all my speakers in front of the listening position, which is the free way of using sidewall treatment, without losing any sound energy due to absorption. 100-120* pattern speakers work best for me in my setup.Correct me if I'm wrong but the dbr62 are a third cheaper, go lower and measure better?
How would you compare the two? My current setup is the DBR62. Mine are coming soon but I didn't realize that the Revel were not sold in pairs sooo I just ordered the second speaker and my wallet hurts lol.I had the DBR62. The dispersion was too wide for my 11.5' wide room. Ditto for the Aria 906, which have the highest preference score of all three IIRC. Some people might prefer the extra dispersion in a narrow room, but I like higher fidelity and I cross all my speakers in front of the listening position, which is the free way of using sidewall treatment, without losing any sound energy due to absorption. 100-120* pattern speakers work best for me in my setup.
Those free side reflexions exists any way.I had the DBR62. The dispersion was too wide for my 11.5' wide room. Ditto for the Aria 906, which have the highest preference score of all three IIRC. Some people might prefer the extra dispersion in a narrow room, but I like higher fidelity and I cross all my speakers in front of the listening position, which is the free way of using sidewall treatment, without losing any sound energy due to absorption. 100-120* pattern speakers work best for me in my setup.
Still a great speaker but the M16 is much more detailed up high, has a bigger soundstage, and better bass quality to my ears (although much less bass than the DBR62).Correct me if I'm wrong but the dbr62 are a third cheaper, go lower and measure better?
impression wise I think you might need some in room measurement for verification if there's any placement issue related for the apparent sound. bass wise it should be only less than the DBR62 by a bit but if there's some room boost in DBR and the Revel not so it can make a huge apparnet difference. changing speakers that are well designed and built scientifically with similar budget don't sounded like a good choice personally if the sound is your final goal, they more than likely are more similar than differentM16 came in from Crutchfield. First impressions:
Interesting sounding speaker. I will preface this with the fact I have sensitive ears when it comes to treble. Reminds me a little of the Genelecs I've auditioned briefly in a studio & B&H. It's playing all genres pretty well. In comparison to my DBR62's I've owned for over a year now, they sound a little leaner, more technical, and offer much more treble detail while not being too fatiguing. Got them for $700/pr, these are the most expensive speakers I have owned. Soundstage is pretty big and has some depth, good height and width.
One track I'm pretty familiar with has a piano panned left and I swear I heard it coming three feet away + left from the left side of the speaker. In comparison I don't remember the DBR62, RP-600M, and Q150 doing it that way.
DBR62's ($530/pr) sound slightly veiled in comparison, sound thicker and buttery, much more laid back. They sometimes make recordings sound better than they are if they're not the greatest. Rarely is anything harsh or has sibilance unless the track is really bad. The DBR62's are best played at loud volumes, while I can listen to the M16 at any volume just fine.
M16 has way less bass quantity than the DBR62's, and for me these need a sub for full range. I could use my DBR62's without one, but again the bass quality is not as good. They're flat, not in a bad way, detailed sparkly treble, but not really overdoing it. They will reveal if your source tracks aren't the best. They keep up with tracks that are very layered, and the treble is very.. fast? There is a hint of sibilance depending on the track for me.
Fun speaker, definitely sound expensive, they're performers, not sure if I'll be keeping it though as it's not really the sound I was aiming for. These speakers are great but I'm not sure if I'd pay more than what I just paid for. Also, these require way more juice from my receiver than the DBR62's and I thought those were power hungry.
I also have the Polk R200 to compare next.
I don't always think measurements tell the whole story. They can point out certain things. They are similar in the fact they are warm tilting but they definitely sound like different speakers. Different tonality. To compensate for less bass in the M16 I had to raise the crossover point slightly and add a little volume to my sub. I would say I know the DBR62 pretty well and have tried them in 4 different sized rooms. The M16 is NOT a bad speaker by any means, comes down to personal preference as to what kind of sound you like.impression wise I think you might need some in room measurement for verification if there's any placement issue related for the apparent sound. bass wise it should be only less than the DBR62 by a bit but if there's some room boost in DBR and the Revel not so it can make a huge apparnet difference. changing speakers that are well designed and built scientifically with similar budget don't sounded like a good choice personally if the sound is your final goal, they more than likely are more similar than different