Killingbeans
Major Contributor
All right, I'm starting a new thread in responce to this post in the DX3 Pro+ thread:
I don't want to continue going off topic. Not sure whether it fits in this subforum, so any moderator feel free to move it if it doesn't. Also, if this turn into a dumpster fire really quickly, just do the merciful thing and close the thread.
Honestly, I'm not really sure what @conuss is trying to tell me, so sorry if it has nothing to do with the topic title. I'm going on a hunch. Might be waaaay off.
Considered with respect to what?
Exactly. Op-amps are devices. They have no feelings. They might be used to evoke feelings in humans when listening to music, but in nearly all cases they will be implemented in ways that has practically zero audible influence. This means the only influence they have is via the preconceptions you get from reading impressive numbers in the datasheet or some marketing blurb using clever wording.
Not sure I understand the question. Are you asking whether I'm aware that beauty is universal? I don't think I agree with that.
As far as I can tell 'a priori' is defined as knowledge that requires no experience. According to my reasoning subjectivity does not deal with knowledge, but only impressions. That leads me to the topic of this thread; Can knowledge really be gained via subjectivity?
(My personal answer is obviously: "No, not in any reliable way", but the discussion could be fun. If nothing else, this thread could be referred to when a new user makes the claim for the ump-teenth time)
Again. Not really sure what should become clear? The video communities has a much healthier relationship with objective data?
I have a hard time unwrapping that. As in: "The buyers need to be shown respect by not subjecting them to BS claims about op-amps coloring the sound of products"? If that's the case, then yes! We've been agreeing all along and there's just been a communication malfunction.
If not:
Topping DX3 Pro+ Review (DAC & Headphone Amp)
There are differences between general purpose op-amps and those designed for audio. Some parameters are more important than others in those applications. But implementation is still king. A really good engineer will be able to design an audibly transparent circuit around a "low-tier" op-amp, and...
www.audiosciencereview.com
I don't want to continue going off topic. Not sure whether it fits in this subforum, so any moderator feel free to move it if it doesn't. Also, if this turn into a dumpster fire really quickly, just do the merciful thing and close the thread.
Honestly, I'm not really sure what @conuss is trying to tell me, so sorry if it has nothing to do with the topic title. I'm going on a hunch. Might be waaaay off.
It is enough to grasp that feelings and ideas must be considered.
Considered with respect to what?
Only devices and robots can do without it.
Exactly. Op-amps are devices. They have no feelings. They might be used to evoke feelings in humans when listening to music, but in nearly all cases they will be implemented in ways that has practically zero audible influence. This means the only influence they have is via the preconceptions you get from reading impressive numbers in the datasheet or some marketing blurb using clever wording.
Is it a revelation to you that humans are a priori subjective about beauty in any expression?
Not sure I understand the question. Are you asking whether I'm aware that beauty is universal? I don't think I agree with that.
As far as I can tell 'a priori' is defined as knowledge that requires no experience. According to my reasoning subjectivity does not deal with knowledge, but only impressions. That leads me to the topic of this thread; Can knowledge really be gained via subjectivity?
(My personal answer is obviously: "No, not in any reliable way", but the discussion could be fun. If nothing else, this thread could be referred to when a new user makes the claim for the ump-teenth time)
Compare the number of discussions of audio and video perception, much will become clear.
Again. Not really sure what should become clear? The video communities has a much healthier relationship with objective data?
In short, if we do not recognize the market of sound operational amplifiers as fraudulent, we will have to refer it to the consumer market, which needs buyers, who should be understood and respected.
I have a hard time unwrapping that. As in: "The buyers need to be shown respect by not subjecting them to BS claims about op-amps coloring the sound of products"? If that's the case, then yes! We've been agreeing all along and there's just been a communication malfunction.
If not: