This is slightly off-topic, but related to what audio algorithms these AVRs come loaded with. Does anybody know when Harman's patent for the old Logic 7 expires? That's by far the best I've heard for music so far (excluding true Auro 3D material on a proper Auro 3D setup). The upmixer for stereo to multichannel, is particular, is miles ahead of anything else. As far as I know Harman doesn't use it anymore in their AVRs, it has moved to Logic 16, which several people seem to think is a downgrade for music comparing to Logic 7.I think a lot of people dropped them when they dropped Audyssey (which they may have had no control over, is it happened around the time that Denon/Marantz purchased the rights to Audyssey... so competitors may well have been kicked off!).
Onkyo's solution was to purchase Pioneer - that way they gained MCACC - which they renamed on Onkyo/Integra AVR's - it also gave them the Dirac project which was in its early days with Pioneer and Dirac working together - the outcome of that, 5+ years later was the release of the current Dirac enabled models.
In the interrim Onkyo/Integra/Pioneer soldiered on with limited RoomEQ (MCACC/AccuEQ) - but lost a lot of the mid to high end market share
Their come back was a long time coming - and is closely linked to Dirac - what we (some of us) are hoping, is that Onkyo is ahead of the curve with Dirac, and that the Flagship models will benefit from this, with the release of DLBC and/or SRC over the next couple of months.
Here's hoping that Onkyo will bring some real competition to bear on D&M... limiting D&M's ability to raise their prices - the joys of competition!!
If any AVR makers wanted to make a good music-focused box, the inclusion of Logic7 would be a killer feature for me at least.