Can't take this horse seriously with that basic headphone cable.
Needs some Kimber at least !
Can't take this horse seriously with that basic headphone cable.
I'm talking about digital reproduction. The actual contents. Also vinyl nowadays are digitally recorded. I don't know how many complete analog studio are still around today.
But I see what you mean. If you listen to an original vinyl everything change but still in that domain we are not talking about best possible reporduction as can be achivede today. Just the best possible reproduction at that time.
I don't believe that listening to this wonderfull record AYA on salon 2 can be more accurate then the original studio.
Maybe you mean that it can be more interesting.
Let's give up the formal sense o HI-FI. I'm talking about fidelity.
When you mix you have the total control and talking about fidelity what is going out is the best scenario possible of that recording even if your studio is not necessarily the best. Everything else is emphasis of sounds. I may like it but it's not fidelity. I'm not saying that studio give the best result emotionally speaking but for sure is the best possible repoduction you can hear.
Therefore, is your idea of "fidelity" a practical one?
I fell no hell at all. I just see some people don't even try to understand. Probably they fear their game can be broken.Not in the slightest. OP is now in the seventh circle of the most confusing of all Hells.
Let's try that way.
Best possible reproduction = Something you can meaure = Objective
Everything else = Emotional driven choice = Subjective.
You may have a lot of fun with subjective choice but it's not objective and it's only pesonal.
If you don't understand that i fear there's no hope.
Believing someone words without critical thinking is an emotional state about that someone. Subjective.You can measure bad or coloured performance too.
And I'm not sure over in Camp Subjective its all about emotions. I think its more about influences. X says Y is good so Z believes it is.
@MattHooper 1) If that is the case that's the best reproduction to feel what ahppened there. So yes.
2) You obviously haven't read my previous post. It's not about H-FI that people like to confuse with formal definition of 1900. I'm talking about fidelity of reproduction as it was in the studio. The best reproduction you can have. Everything else again and again is emotional and subjective.
Let's try that way.
Best possible reproduction = Something you can meaure = Objective
If you don't understand that i fear there's no hope.
Let's try that way.
Best possible reproduction = Something you can meaure = Objective
Everything else = Emotional driven choice = Subjective.
You may have a lot of fun with subjective choice but it's not objective and it's only pesonal.
If you don't understand that i fear there's no hope.
@MattHopper. Nope. You obviously don't want to understand anything. You just create more confusion as you can to avoid a simple concept.
You have the asnwers to your questions in previous posts. Just read again. And if you don't get it just get along with your ideas. I'll get along with mines. Audiophile is mostly subjective and snake oil is the result of that. I don't like to fool myself.
I bet you are involved in selling audiophile equipments
It’s Easier to Fool People Than to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled. No doubt.
May I suggest you dial down the haughty, insulting tone?
You started a thread with a complaint and a claim. I've simply been trying to understand your reasoning because, when you look in to the underlying assumptions and implications, what you've written isn't clear. It may be in your mind: but it's not getting on the page.
No I don't sell equipment. I'm as adamant against snake oil b.s. as anyone you will find.
I've been in to audio for most of my life, and have worked in pro sound, recording live sound sources, and mxing in multi-million dollar studios (film/TV and some music) for 3 decades.
I've put a lot of thought and time in to the types of subject we are discussing.
So, try for a moment, to consider that maybe...just maybe...the person you are chatting to is not dumb, or naive, or ignorant, or fooling himself, or out to pull the wool over anyone's eyes.
Why not consider that, just maybe, you have not been as clear as you think. And maybe...just maybe...this might have to do with not having fully thought through all the implications, which is why you are having trouble answering the questions in a way that is clarifying your point to others.
Of course, it may be me. Maybe I'm a lot more dumb and naive and ignorant than I think. But even if that's the case, insulting my motivations, as if I just want to evade your obvious point or may have some motivation of selling equipment, is uncalled for.
Not in the slightest. OP is now in the seventh circle of the most confusing of all Hells.
Have you ever been in a recording studio ? There are a lot of standard trick but in the best records out there players are involved with engineers and producers. It's not at all an industrial process. In a good studio it's an artistic procedure along with great technic knowledge.
I disagree with your view of studio and mixing. There are a lot of records ou there that are what they are due to exceptional studios and engineers artistic preformance. View some videos of great album productions and you'll aunderstand what I mean. Please don't talk about self productions that are a different matter. In low cost productions you generally don't lose time in artistic mixing.
Oh i have been many times in a great studio here of a friend of mine. I had a chance to talk to a lot of engineers. Thay generally refer to audiophile as audiofool. And we are talking about milions dollar studio. So yes. I have been in a studio. A lot more expensive then most audiophile euqipments.Yes, I have been in a recording studio. Have you? Or have you just watched "videos of great album productions"? In which case you might have seen me.