i paid 1k euro for my r3, add a sub, a good dsp and you have a great setup, they are not done, the ls60 are a different category, and they should be confronted with the r11So R3 is done?
i paid 1k euro for my r3, add a sub, a good dsp and you have a great setup, they are not done, the ls60 are a different category, and they should be confronted with the r11So R3 is done?
Would you still need a working app? NoGeneral question regarding Kef wireless.
The speakers have spdif and line in. If in the future kef stops supporting the app, can't one just plug a spdif source and play from there? Would you still need a working app? Don't they come with a remote control for at least volume and source switching? Or without an app and wifi they become a brick?
People with a bit of cash to spare and enough interest in audio to spend some on it. Having a partner that doesn’t want massive speakers in the living room helps.I still don't understand who's the potential buyer.
"Hardcore" audiophiles would prefer active studio monitors
"Mainstream" audiophiles don't even want to touch actives and want to play with different amps and DACs.
Who's left?
Who were the potential customers for the original LS50 and LS50W/LS50WII?I still don't understand who's the potential buyer.
"Hardcore" audiophiles would prefer active studio monitors
"Mainstream" audiophiles don't even want to touch actives and want to play with different amps and DACs.
Who's left?
Normal people?Who's left?
LMAO!Normal people?
You could create a new thread with the poll (survey) asking the original LS50 owners would they upgrade to LS60 if money was not an issue.I still don't understand who's the potential buyer.
"Hardcore" audiophiles would prefer active studio monitors
"Mainstream" audiophiles don't even want to touch actives and want to play with different amps and DACs.
Who's left?
... they should be confronted with the r11
People who want to have separate HT and audio setup. 6k for listening to music is not that much all things considered plus much cleaner setup you don’t need media cabinet for amp so more flexible.I still don't understand who's the potential buyer.
"Hardcore" audiophiles would prefer active studio monitors
"Mainstream" audiophiles don't even want to touch actives and want to play with different amps and DACs.
Who's left?
You haven’t checked the spec did you?R7/Reference 3 Meta would be the one to compare it with.
Four 5" woofers have aproximatelly the same cone area as two 6,5" woofers.
For comparison to R11 to be fair, you should add two of KC62 to LS60.
The more I read, given that I already have first rate electronics, SVS Subs, and 4 LS 50's (2 Meta), the less likely it seems I would go for LS 60 Wireless especially considering the price, bass limitations, and Kef's spotty record for support.You could create a new thread with the poll (survey) asking the original LS50 owners would they upgrade to LS60 if money was not an issue.
You haven’t checked the spec did you?
They dig deeper than r11. Then can go against ref 5. You forget each driver has dsp so it’s not just about surface area. Kc62 is prime example why and how.
You haven’t checked the spec did you?
They dig deeper than r11. Then can go against ref 5. You forget each driver has dsp so it’s not just about surface area. Kc62 is prime example why and how.
Again check the white paper linked on this sub. Of course we compare them at reference level +-3db, -6db and ls60 plays deeper than r11 it’s all there. So you can’t even compare it with r11 not to mention r7. Maybe someone will be kind to link it againI can make 3" woofer go deeper than Reference 5 or R11 - but at what looudness ?
Does that mean we can compare them ?
I’m talking about reference level not 100db. Who listens at 100db?? To me is just theoretical spec as I never ever went that high.Not at high level they don't. There is extension there, sure, at normal levels, but not the same absolute amount. (And they're nowhere near the KC62 either.)
The graph above shows the LS60 pushing the limits of its bass:
This from KEF shows the R11 operating at normal level, and the response should pretty much just shift up with volume to its 111dB peak, without much bass reduction. (I've not found any real compression tests).
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So, sure, the LS60 can be flatter from 80 down to 20 at normal level, but as you turn it up, it ends up dropping off steeper.
It will never be able to produce 30-50Hz at anything like the level an R11 can (at least 100-105dB, I'd guess).
(Although how many people need that much bass from main speakers, I don't know. I'd just use a subwoofer anyway.)
Again check the white paper linked on this sub. Of course we compare them at reference level +-3db, -6db and ls60 plays deeper than r11 it’s all there. So you can’t even compare it with r11 not to mention r7. Maybe someone will be kind to link it again
Plus thanks to dsp, I believe at lower volumes it will have much higher bass compared to passive speaker including r11 which rolls off fastNot at high level they don't. There is extension there, sure, at normal levels, but not the same absolute amount. (And they're nowhere near the KC62 either.)
The graph above shows the LS60 pushing the limits of its bass:
This from KEF shows the R11 operating at normal level, and the response should pretty much just shift up with volume to its 111dB peak, without much bass reduction. (I've not found any real compression tests).
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So, sure, the LS60 can be flatter from 80 down to 20 at normal level, but as you turn it up, it ends up dropping off steeper.
It will never be able to produce 30-50Hz at anything like the level an R11 can (at least 100-105dB, I'd guess).
(Although how many people need that much bass from main speakers, I don't know. I'd just use a subwoofer anyway.)
That’s nonsense you’re spawning now. KEF specs are available for reference level and it’s clear as day what each can do. At that level r11 aren’t a match and thanks to dsp and active design you can’t compare surface area of woofers either.Why don't you compare all of the Kef production line with some high end headphones ? They can dig even deeper than any of mentioned speakers and are point source also. It's all in specs.
But reference level is usually expressed as an average. Music has a crest factor of 6 to 20, so you’ll need to add that to whatever the “reference” is. So at 85 dB, that’s then peak of between 91 and 105dB.I’m talking about reference level not 100db.