Others post the link. Not me.You posted a link back to here. How do you think I found this place?
I wonder why the improvement(or difference) is only noticed on a few tracks rather than ingeneral?
Others post the link. Not me.
Ultimately, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, and what persuaded me that there might be something to this multibit crap was when I had a, "Holy crap! Where did *that* come from?" revelation in an otherwise unremarkable piece of music.
Well from my experience there are thing I listen for (certain cues) different instruments etc that I can the differentiate between the DACs I prefer and the ones I do not. The one I do not like do a bad job (unnatural harmonic presentation) that is clearly noticeable to me. ymmv.I wonder why the improvement(or difference) is only noticed on a few tracks rather than ingeneral?
I think it is naive to believe that the bifrost multibit was made because schiit thought it sounded good. They probably knew of the performance issues. It seems like they just wanted desperately to tell the story about how they are using an industrial dac, talk about military and medical applications, and how other dacs have a low bit depth. The fact that performance took a back seat to this is what I think is so scandalous about the situation. Well, other than Mike being caught lying about the glitch and linearity issues being fixed.
Well from my experience there are thing I listen for (certain cues) different instruments etc that I can the differentiate between the DACs I prefer and the ones I do not. The one I do not like do a bad job (unnatural harmonic presentation) that is clearly noticeable to me. ymmv.
I wonder why the improvement(or difference) is only noticed on a few tracks rather than in general?
Well from my experience there are thing I listen for (certain cues) different instruments etc that I can the differentiate between the DACs I prefer and the ones I do not. The one I do not like do a bad job (unnatural harmonic presentation) that is clearly noticeable to me. ymmv.
I gather, then, that you think Mike is a charlatan. Is that true of his whole career? Other than his work at Schiit, how is his career regarded?
And, from watching from the outside, the first multibit DAC they did was Yggdrassil (sp!), then Gungnir, then Bifrost, then Modi. Yggdrassil was (and is) supposed to be their "statement" DAC. If he wanted to make a statement, there certainly were other ways of doing it.
I think it's obvious that they're pushing multibit down to the cheapest price point possible, potentially without regard to performance issues. It's a great marketing tactic, "ours is multibit, everything else in this price range isn't" - instant differentiation. Their site is filled with brilliant sales copy, this whole "we're really clever, and hey, if you don't want this awesomely great thing then don't buy it, haha" reverse psychology spiel. They've built up this kind of clever, cool underdog vibe of an audio company who releases amazing products at affordable prices, and people have definitely bought into it. Sometimes a reality check is needed, to separate the fluff from the truth.
I think it's obvious that they're pushing multibit down to the cheapest price point possible, potentially without regard to performance issues.
Well if you can do double blind listening tests, never mind about preference just see if you can reliably tell the difference first then we will be ‘all ears’.You skipped the first question -- How is Mike Moffat regarded?
Yes, Jason writes clever marketing, but that's not how I heard of Schiit or why I have their stuff. After looking around here, there's an inexpensive DAC I want to try, to see if it lives up to the praise it got here.
Again this means absolutely nothing here, if you can differentiate between DAC’s under controlled listening conditions then we have a data point to investigate ( even then it’s a sample of one so not really much to write home about).Well from my experience there are thing I listen for (certain cues) different instruments etc that I can the differentiate between the DACs I prefer and the ones I do not. The one I do not like do a bad job (unnatural harmonic presentation) that is clearly noticeable to me. ymmv.
Have you done anything to help bring you to this conclusion? Listening/testing? Or is it just something you have just adopted as a belief system?Well if you can do double blind listening tests, never mind about preference just see if you can reliably tell the difference first then we will be ‘all ears’.
Otherwise your subjective conclusions mean absolutely nothing here, I know that sound harsh but we all know how inherently faulty sighted listening is. You may well hear a difference or to be more precise related to the sound differently, who knows why but the resulting conclusions mean absolutely nothing minus any controls in the process . ( on this forum ).
You posted this boilerplate.Again this means absolutely nothing here, if you can differentiate between DAC’s under controlled listening conditions then we have a data point to investigate ( even then it’s a sample of one so not really much to write home about).
Your impressions might be valid, I mean as a result of a change in DAC performance but we have no clue if that’s true so there’s nothing of worth to discuss.
I know it sounds harsh, it bruises the ego to say ones own subjective opinions mean nothing and could just as well be a delusion but there are many other forums on the internet that would love to hear all about your non substantiated subjective conclusions so don’t feel too bad just click away someplace else.
Yes done in Absolute controlled conditions!Again this means absolutely nothing here, if you can differentiate between DAC’s under controlled listening conditions then we have a data point to investigate ( even then it’s a sample of one so not really much to write home about).
Your impressions might be valid, I mean as a result of a change in DAC performance but we have no clue if that’s true so there’s nothing of worth to discuss.
I know it sounds harsh, it bruises the ego to say ones own subjective opinions mean nothing and could just as well be a delusion but there are many other forums on the internet that would love to hear all about your non substantiated subjective conclusions so don’t feel too bad just click away someplace else.
Have you done anything to help bring you to this conclusion? Listening/testing? Or is it just something you have just adopted as a belief system?
You skipped the first question -- How is Mike Moffat regarded?
Yes, Jason writes clever marketing, but that's not how I heard of Schiit or why I have their stuff. After looking around here, there's an inexpensive DAC I want to try, to see if it lives up to the praise it got here.
I know that almost nobody takes ZeosPantera as anything more than an entertainer, but he telegraphed that multibit measures badly by uploading a video saying that the Modi Multibit was the only one that doesn't sound the same in a shootout against an iFi iOne and a JDS OL DAC. He said that it had more bass, which shouldn't be the case if it's transparent as the others. So it is very likely that it is similar to the Bifrost Multibit.