Pixelwarfare
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Which Dirac target curves y'all use to boost the bass a bit? It seems I lost a lot of bass with stereo music after Dirac tuning;
Most are using +6 dB Harman or +8 dB Harman curves I believe. There's a bit more discussion about DL and the RZ50 on AVS Forum.Which Dirac target curves y'all use to boost the bass a bit? It seems I lost a lot of bass with stereo music after Dirac tuning;
Dirac desktop app version 3.3 and better, (current version is 3.4.4), generates target curves particular to each speaker group (which in your case would be the stereo channels) customized to your system. If you find the bass lacking, you can manually tweak the generated curves. In my opinion, tweaking the auto-generated curves would be preferable to using prepared curves, although this is entirely a personal matter (I once tried the Harmon curves and didn't find them to be particularly better, and in some ways worse). You can save the project under a new name, experiment with it, without losing the original curves, fine tuning to get your preferred degree of bass.Which Dirac target curves y'all use to boost the bass a bit? It seems I lost a lot of bass with stereo music after Dirac tuning;
Ok I was a Denon and Audyssey fanboy for many years. I was upgrading to the 4700, 3800h or 4800h but while testing the 3800h, decided to grab the RZ50 curious about Dirac.Forgive me if I'm late to the party but I just joined this forum. I've been a long time member of AV science but this topic is active. Much more so on this forum and I'm interested.
Let me start by saying thank you in advance and that I've read all 37 pages of posts. Unfortunately I'm only really smart about doctor stuff. So if you've been shot, I know what to do and I do follow directions pretty well, but I don't understand the geek level discussion that many of you are much more capable of.
I just had an emotiva go bad on me. I'm looking to replace it with either the Denon 3800 or this Onkyo.
For background, I have a room that is very close to ideal dimensions and I have exceptional acoustic treatments all around. I've been very happy with the way the emotiva sounded but I don't want to spend that much money again. I'm getting old and am retired. I currently have seven channels, all Atlantic technology 450 series speakers that are several years old but still sound good. Two M+K subs that are symmetrically placed calculated by room dimension recommendations. All channels are powered by separate power amplifiers with at least 200 watts RMS.
I have Dirac with my emotiva and I don't know if the license is transferable to the Denon. If that's the case, it would make the Denon decision a no-brainer. I have a feeling it's not transferable because it's probably 8 years old.
I also don't have Atmos but would consider putting two ceiling speakers and either purchasing another two-channel amp, a cheap one, to power them: or if you recommend could I use two of the channels on either the Onkyo or Denon receivers to power those two speakers only. I don't know how much of a big deal atmos makes. Again, I'm quite happy with the way the sound is right now. But if I'm getting ready to change processors I may as well look into that.
I like the pricing on the Onkyo, the fact that their Dirac correction only does mono subs I don't think would be a problem because my subs are symmetrically located in a mathematically good place, so if they were corrected in mono I think that would be fine. I don't know if that's the best way to go or use the dentin receiver with their on board audyssey processing. Just for reference, I would never listen to music by itself. In this room I only watch movies but obviously the sound and music and movies is important. I would never care about the stereo.
I can still find the Onkyo for 1,350 open box on crutchfield or other sites with new warranty. But I would be willing to spend the extra three or $400 for the Denon, If the Audyssey was good enough. I could not afford the extra cost for a new Dirac processing fee and microphone.
If I did atmos, Iwould probably have to use in ceiling speakers and again would not want to spend that much money. Thinking of Polk RC80i. Part of that would depend on whether I could use the internal amplifiers for those two speakers on either one of the processors.
So basically the questions are:
Is atmos worth it? And can I use the internal amps to power a couple of Polk ceiling speakers?
Is the Denon room correction Audyssey program good enough for my needs if I can't afford Dirac correction
Or is the Onkyo with on-board Dirac correction good enough and a better choice for my situation whether or not I use atmos eventually.
It would actually still be cheaper to buy a separate power amp for the atmos speakers and use the Onkyo than it would be to buy the denon , and that's before I even add in the cost of the Dirac license and mike for the Denon.
I've owned both Onkyo and Denon products before in cheaper versions for my upstairs television and I like them both. But I would dearly love to be able to have the more affordable Onkyo be good enough for my needs.
Thanks in advance for your advice.
Good luck. My dealer got me pretty much the same price for the 3800h and RZ50 so price was not a consideration, just the performance of the Onkyo and Dirac just took me by surprise. I even like its looks And it runs cooler so i dont even need the AC Infinity I had beforeThanks for the prompt response. I just got off the phone with a very nice gentleman from technical support for Onkyo. I think that Onkyo is the way to go for me and I don't think I'm even going to worry about the atmos part for now. The technician went over their Dirac and it seemed like even the basic deer act gave good results and would be applicable for mine. I think I'm going to do like you did and just grab the RZ50
I like height speakers a lot (I have four), not just for Atmos, but also using the dts Neural:X processing (or Dolby if you prefer) to expand both stereo and 5.1 audio for music. The internal amps on my Pioneer (more or less the same as the Onkyo I gather) work just fine. If you are using surround back, then it is necessary to use an external amp for Height2 (if only one pair of height speakers not necessary). I haven't tried upmixing film, but I've read that also works well with both dts and Dolby. Dirac is very effective to get the height speaker levels matched properly to the main system.I think that Onkyo is the way to go for me and I don't think I'm even going to worry about the atmos part for now.
Quick question about preamp out voltage. I am deciding between the Onkyo and the Denon 3800H.
The preamp out voltage on the Denon 3800 is 4V, the Onkyo is 1V (I spoke again with Onkyo). Audioholics review was saying that was a good thing in the Denon as it provides more input voltage to the amps, effectively it would play louder for a given amp (note they were not comparing to any other processor, just reviewing the Denon).
I will not be using the internal amps at all.
Have those of you who use the RZ50 as a preamp with external amps found plenty of volume with movies?
I have a tendency to worry about things that are a non issue, and the Onkyo is WAY cheaper than the Denon (found an onkyo new for $1400, Denon is $1700, plus figure another $200 at least for Dirac upgrade...I have a mike)
I dont really care about this number as much as I care that I can crank up a movie as loud as I like without clipping the amps.
Any words of wisdom?
Here in Switzerland the difference is starker, the Onkyo is 1050 (vs 1800 for the Denon). The equivalent Pioneer is even cheaper, like 950. I'm tempted to buy one just in case, I have an old Marantz in a different location and it might kick the bucket at some point. I'd only be using the internal amps for Atmos speakers anyway.I have a tendency to worry about things that are a non issue, and the Onkyo is WAY cheaper than the Denon (found an onkyo new for $1400, Denon is $1700, plus figure another $200 at least for Dirac upgrade...I have a mike)
Got the Pioneer for 900 driving Kef R3 and R2c, like it so far. Todo for the weekend is to finally do Dirac.Here in Switzerland the difference is starker, the Onkyo is 1050 (vs 1800 for the Denon). The equivalent Pioneer is even cheaper, like 950. I'm tempted to buy one just in case, I have an old Marantz in a different location and it might kick the bucket at some point. I'd only be using the internal amps for Atmos speakers anyway.
ABCould someone kindly confirm the what amplifier class is the Onkyo TX RZ50? Class AB or Class D.
I just bought RZ50 which replaces my 20 year old Yamaha RXV 1000. The Subwoofer (REL Q200) is connected high level cable (with the main speakers). If the connection is not as per the Class of Amp the subwoofer may be damaged!
I also reached out to the 'Premium Audio Company ' by no response so far!
TIA