Thanks for putting this together.
What curve tracing software did you use to digitize the plots? I've never dabbled in that area but I've often wanted something to help compare data sheet plots / ASR measurements on different scales.
Michael
What an idiotic remark. Terrible audio gear? My system is superb. It both measures and sounds phenomenal. But whatever helps you sleep at night.Sure thing. Whatever helps you sleep at night and helps you justify the thousands you spent on terrible audio gear instead of a proper education : D
Another name for sighted personal preference.What the hell is that? Could it even been strictly difined?
Hand-built small batch runs happen all the time in high-end audio, Schiit just has the manufacturing efficiencies to do a small run at affordable price. They can absorb overheads in a whole lot of other products. R&D costs are probably lower than many might think because it’s probably just a couple of guys charging to that line item, and likely not full time.The big Japanese players did it all the time back in the day.
Marantz did 500 product runs of TOTL two box CD players. Akai did a 500 run for an entire system of 6 components. Yamaha did a very small run for their absolute TOTL Centennial Series of components in 1987. Sony did it many times over the 70s and 80s and even into the early 90s. Matsushita (Technics) did the hand built totally over the top SEA1/SUA2 pre/powers in tiny numbers.
They do it, because they can. It keeps the loyal engineers happy to have pet projects of hang the expense stuff see the light of day.
Provocative name gets attention.The name of this amplifier is pronounced Sh*t tier?
...The name of this amplifier is pronounced Sh*t tier?
BTW, in old Norse, Týr is pronounced more likely "Teuurl"
Týr - Wikipedia
en.m.wikipedia.org
There is no such thing as musicality. Try to explain to me what it is, and you see it's not real.
A power amp has one job, that is to amplify an input to a larger amplitude. In my point of view a power amp is nothing but a very fast, variable power supply
There is no room for musicality. Musicality, as a term like beauty or fluffyness, is created before the medium is pressed/streamed, in the recording studio, in the mixing. There we have room for creative things like that.
That is it's point, amplify the input signal at any frequency just the same. Flat frequency response is good in an amp!
Feelings, am i right?
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To be honest, i have experience with neither, but could imagine it to be true.
The Tyr has a lot of power, it adds a lot more unwanted artifacts to the output, like distortion and noise than other amps, but it is able to deliver far more power than the LA90. If Magnepans need much power, maybe the LA90 isn't the best match.
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What the hell is that? Could it even been strictly difined?
Nope. Your interpretation is absolutely misleading. Musicality is not what sounds "more" like music. It's a property of music itself, certainty not sound reproduction. Unless you think gears are making music by their own... What a ridiculous statement.So there you have it. Musicality is defined as that which sounds more like music.
You are (again) completely missing the point. You just said that you're aiming for transparency.When shopping for audio I define my maximum value on investment from my audio as: the sound output from the audio chain most closely matching the reference signal produced from the recording studio, which also happens to be what the artist intended you to hear.
Alright. You just deserved a second one:If you don't know what "musicality" is, maybe instead turn your tv's volume all the way up and flip to a channel with white noise. Now go to a concert. Compare the two and let me know which one sounds more like noise and which one sounds more like music to you. Since you don't understand simple concepts and like to face palm, this time I'll forgive you for thinking the former sounds like music to you.
LOOOOL how did you get "gears" and the rest of that from the Webster definition? I question your ability to read. Also, "Musically" is not a word.Nope. Your interpretation is absolutely misleading. Musically is not what sounds "more" like music. It's a property of music itself, certainty not sound reproduction. Unless you think gears are making music by their own... What a ridiculous statement.
You are (again) completely missing the point. You just said that you're aiming for transparency.
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Thanks for your forgiveness, really.
Oh yes there is - and it's quite real!!! You need to be one who naturally hums and sings along with a vocalist, follows 'tunes,' melodies and harmonies in a musical piece to fully understand though. The opposite are the 'rhythm kings' who tap their feet to the rhythm and are oblivious to the harmonic or harmonious structure of the music being played...There is no such thing as musicality. Try to explain to me what it is, and you see it's not real.
All this hasn't got nothing to do with high fidelity sound -- which is fine of you believe that high fidelity sound doesn't have much to do with musical enjoyment.Oh yes there is - and it's quite real!!! You need to be one who naturally hums and sings along with a vocalist, follows 'tunes,' melodies and harmonies in a musical piece to fully understand though. The opposite are the 'rhythm kings' who tap their feet to the rhythm and are oblivious to the harmonic or harmonious structure of the music being played...
Now, having said that, I now have an idea how 'musicality' can be 'empohasised' in the playback system and it usually means compression, band limiting and/or the phase issues these out of band filters can create, a spread of grass like distortions around 60 - 70dB down at absolute maximum and in one niche amp I recall, a VERY narrow power bandwidth which tailed off over 2khz or so...
I still use the now for me forty year old 'tune dem' techniques when hearing new gear. This 'technique' has enhanced my appreciation of live music as well, so not a blinkered audiophool thing, at least for me. All good fun and totally innocent, but please don't dismiss some of this 'stuff' out of hand
People spend more because they have more to spend.There's a reason people spend more.
I agree with that statement, as will others. However you totally missed the other factor - that being you tend to get more for your money. On the flip side, it also needs to be emphasized that diminishing returns is a very real thing.People spend more because they have more to spend.
Couldn't agree more. There are harmonics and perceived frequencies that when they hit you just right makes the world of difference. I think you're still way ahead of me on pinpointing what those are. I truly wish music and audio aesthetics were a better defined science and the things you just described could be better measured, evaluated, and compared in a more ubiquitous manner than just today's sinad graphs.Oh yes there is - and it's quite real!!! You need to be one who naturally hums and sings along with a vocalist, follows 'tunes,' melodies and harmonies in a musical piece to fully understand though. The opposite are the 'rhythm kings' who tap their feet to the rhythm and are oblivious to the harmonic or harmonious structure of the music being played...
Now, having said that, I now have an idea how 'musicality' can be 'empohasised' in the playback system and it usually means compression, band limiting and/or the phase issues these out of band filters can create, a spread of grass like distortions around 60 - 70dB down at absolute maximum and in one niche amp I recall, a VERY narrow power bandwidth which tailed off over 2khz or so...
I still use the now for me forty year old 'tune dem' techniques when hearing new gear. This 'technique' has enhanced my appreciation of live music as well, so not a blinkered audiophool thing, at least for me. All good fun and totally innocent, but please don't dismiss some of this 'stuff' out of hand
I think ASR has clearly demonstrated that you don't always get more for your money, sometimes you even get less performance for more money. I think the Tyr will have a certain cool factor with the Schiit fan club. However I doubt that it would sound better, or even different, from the NAD C298 at 25% less price than a pair of Tyrs. I also doubt that it will much turn the heads of fans of pricier amps.I agree with that statement, as will others. However you totally missed the other factor - that being you tend to get more for your money. On the flip side, it also needs to be emphasized that diminishing returns is a very real thing.
You want those harmonics encoded on the CD, not added by an amp. What is wrong with you?There are harmonics and perceived frequencies that when they hit you just right makes the world of difference.