I subscribe to the electronic version of the guardian. Fortunately I missed this diatribe. What a load of rubbish.
I subscribe to the electronic version of the guardian. Fortunately I missed this diatribe. What a load of rubbish.
I read the Guardian. No sandals, no beard, no bicycle, no avocado on toast etc (I thought sweeping generalisations were frowned upon here!)This is what a typical Guardian reader looks like:
I read the Guardian. No sandals, no beard, no bicycle, no avocado on toast etc (I thought sweeping generalisations were frowned upon here!)
Since most of the rest of the press in the UK is owned by self serving billionaires there aren’t too many other publications I’d bother with (in spite of The Guardians faults.)
I'll stay away from the vinyl debate, we know our positions and we are not likely to change. What got to me was the way the article was looking back through rose coloured glasses.Aside from the one contentious line about vinyl sound quality, why is it rubbish? I think the article makes some sense of the appeal vinyl has for some people.
I'll stay away from the vinyl debate, we know our positions and we are not likely to change. What got to me was the way the article was looking back through rose coloured glasses.
There is nothing wrong with not rushing through life and having a hobby, but it struck me as bored elites looking for the next fashion to pursue. I
The author devotes a large chunk of the second paragraph discussing a 45 year old box set, consisting of 3, 12", 45rpm records, a mere 6 sides. You would spend more time changing records than actual listening. No, that's not looking back.It wasn't looking back.
I was well aware that a lot members, including me, are privileged economically and socially, but I still felt the Observer/Guardian article still had elitist overtones. The first paragraph stated that serious listeners "know" that it's superior to digital and so implied anyone disagreeing is not worth considering, not elitist at all.If you want to go the cynical "bored elites" critique that can be splayed on anything. You wanna talk bored elites? How about people fortunate enough to be able to spend a lot of their time worrying about SINAD numbers for a DAC, or churning over a frequency bump in some speaker measurements...and all the truly First World Problems an enthusiast site like this represents?
I’m a vinyl fan. There is no ritual for me much less a ritual that is my prime motive for being a fan of vinyl. It is the sound. All else being equal I prefer the colorations of vinyl over pure accuracy.every honest vinyl fan i have met these days admits it is the ritual. not the sound quality. the fact vinyl cant match digital with the same well recorded album is evident to those who havent destroyed their ears.
the pitfall of digital is that unfortunately it is often sold without any album notes. i hate that.
but rituals can be enforced around any format. and album notes can be found online. i try to contribute to the latter.
For us septuagenarian Classical music fans who collect CDs, one of the major problems with the liner notes of those CDs is that they are frequently in 1 point type.every honest vinyl fan i have met these days admits it is the ritual. not the sound quality. the fact vinyl cant match digital with the same well recorded album is evident to those who havent destroyed their ears.
the pitfall of digital is that unfortunately it is often sold without any album notes. i hate that. those are vital.
but rituals can be enforced around any format. and album notes can be found online. i try to contribute to the latter.
Which is why I scan them in high-quality (I collect classical music CDs)For us septuagenarian Classical music fans who collect CDs, one of the major problems with the liner notes of those CDs is that they are frequently in 1 point type.
Of course, lots of Classical budget reissues lack liner notes.
Your preferences, which are clearly conscious choices, are no struggle to anyone.I’m a vinyl fan. There is no ritual for me much less a ritual that is my prime motive for being a fan of vinyl. It is the sound. All else being equal I prefer the colorations of vinyl over pure accuracy.
It amazes me that this idea is such a struggle for so many here.
He lost credibility for me as soon as he said he “reads the Daily Mail to stay in touch with the views of normal people”It's the vibe!
is there a contradiction? He is maybe arguing that we should adopt vinyl as well because he believes that the colourations are beneficial or preferable for us all. That may be a more honest position than that taken by some who appear to believe the same but won't come straight out with it.Your preferences, which are clearly conscious choices, are no struggle to anyone.
You "prefer the colorations of vinyl" yet you have been trying so hard in your previous posts to convince everyone of the sonic merits of vinyl.
That is contradictory, isn't it?
Had you said from the beginning that you are a vinyl fan, despite its pros and cons, and that is a conscious choice of yours, that would have been fine.
That's what @MattHooper did by trying to put an argument forward that there is personal pleasure is collecting and playing vinyl, despite whatever shortcomings vinyl might have, and that is fine.
GS
is there a contradiction? He is maybe arguing that we should adopt vinyl as well because he believes that the colourations are beneficial or preferable for us all. That may be a more honest position than that taken by some who appear to believe the same but won't come straight out with it.
If it is "just" his preference and that is what he is now saying, fine. I'm in dispute with him in another thread, but happy to support him here to the extent that he either states it's his preference, or backs up any attempt to convince us there's more to it with some evidence. I'm not sure he is having the vinyl argument both ways. Arguments over speakers and BACCH, perhaps.
I'm sure that @Justdafactsmaam can stand up for himself here, he's prepared to go up against @amirm after all.
He lost credibility for me as soon as he said he “reads the Daily Mail to stay in touch with the views of normal people”
I am not accusing anyone of anything, so there is no need for anyone to "stand up for himself". I am not starting a fight. Live and let live.is there a contradiction? He is maybe arguing that we should adopt vinyl as well because he believes that the colourations are beneficial or preferable for us all. That may be a more honest position than that taken by some who appear to believe the same but won't come straight out with it.
If it is "just" his preference and that is what he is now saying, fine. I'm in dispute with him in another thread, but happy to support him here to the extent that he either states it's his preference, or backs up any attempt to convince us there's more to it with some evidence. I'm not sure he is having the vinyl argument both ways. Arguments over speakers and BACCH, perhaps.
I'm sure that @Justdafactsmaam can stand up for himself here, he's prepared to go up against @amirm after all.
“every honest vinyl fan i have met these days admits it is the ritual. not the sound quality.”Your preferences, which are clearly conscious choices, are no struggle to anyone.
You "prefer the colorations of vinyl" yet you have been trying so hard in your previous posts to convince everyone of the sonic merits of vinyl.
That is contradictory, isn't it?
Had you said from the beginning that you are a vinyl fan, despite its pros and cons, and that is a conscious choice of yours, that would have been fine.
That's what @MattHooper did by trying to put an argument forward that there is personal pleasure is collecting and playing vinyl, despite whatever shortcomings vinyl might have, and that is fine.
GS