the topic rises an instresting psychoacoustic topic, though. since it sugests that the phantom center of a reverbant room, will be diferent from a treated one.
I agree that there are bigger issues to adress, having perfectly symmetric rooms is one for sure. Matching can be important though especially in crossover design. I have measured some cheap but good sounding cone tweeters and matching gives better crossover consistency.
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What makes speakers "disappear " and can it be measured?
Speaker theives, and yes:
I would think so, too.
With regards to that video you posted, I have actually played around with very simple volume and delay compensations for the different seating positions along my couch since there is only one listener most of the time. The effect is so good that I've made permanent presets in my DSP chain for when I sit at the extreme corner left/right edges of my couch. Interestingly, I have to do the timing offsets manually as the ones suggested by REW perceptually sound incorrect/non-optimal to my ears.
Hi Folks,
my two cents to this interesting conversations are.... only if the music is good mastered the loudspeaker disapear
I noticed that some speakers just disappear and it feels like the sound appears out of thin air, and others don't feel like that at all, and the sound is just coming out of 2 speakers.
What makes speakers "disappear" and can it be measured?
your thing is complicated. Easier to close your eyes or listen in the dark.Speakers cannot 'disappear'. The human hearing is way to intelligent to be tricked in not sensing the situation. Lucky You to not fall for 'stereo' that easily.
But, with some training, a human may be able to actively ignore the speakers' position. Maybe this happens automatically, if the reward on that side of an interpretation is higher than a sober detection of the world as it really is? As with the movies, an emotional involvement helps so much to come over the bland representation on the flat screen as such. The media shall trigger imagination. It is an artform to do so.
Please don't see Yourselves as physiological machinery, that shall be tricked like Pawlow's guinea pigs--by Yourself.
(this You didn't expect, but it is the plain truth)
your thing is complicated. Easier to ...
That you speak for your personal case which has nothing universal to see nothing galactic... and if I now start to nod, my head comes into a new position, and my naturally trained hearing will re-evaluate the sound field, compare the cues, hence empower me to point to the speakers' position. The more 'golden' my ears, the less stereo. (Seems to contradict high-end claims, apologies.)
Finally, what is 'complicated' with being emotionally involved while listening? Not that one should shed tears, but if music IS interesting, what is wrong with that?
(nice topic indeed)
I knew my contribution would sound greek to You.That you speak for your personal case which has nothing universal to see nothing galactic
The sound and the music are two world. ...
we the majority don't need prosthetics for emotional involvement
Same with me in a concert. If the music is interesting, I forget where it comes from. If it's boring, I seek out where to throw the tomatoes.He‘s certainly the definition of a casual, passive listener but he immediately got the concept.