WANT TO KNOW THE TRUE SOUND QUALITY ABOUT OMEGA & KLIPSCH
SPEAKERS WHICH ARE OF HIGH SENSITIVITY .
Is the all caps thing because we are all so low sensitivity?
WANT TO KNOW THE TRUE SOUND QUALITY ABOUT OMEGA & KLIPSCH
SPEAKERS WHICH ARE OF HIGH SENSITIVITY .
It doesn't look horrible to me, but I like vintage speakers, horns, etc. FR looks warm sounding with a little boost above 100kHz in mid bass and declining in highs. It is a little jaggy so it won't be super realistic sounding, but it should be pleasant, especially fairly close where room response will be less pronounced. I bet I would like the sound OK, but I would not trade my Focal Aria 948 for them. The cabinets are really pretty.May I respectfully suggest the F1-12’s from Fyne Audio for the OP’s consideration?Would you, dear experts, kindly comment on their measurement results, please?
Any open-baffle designs from Spatial worth consideration? No published measurement results found anywhere, unfortunately…![]()
From my experience the loss of perceived dynamics at lower volume is primarily related to inadequate bass and science helps explain why. The Fletcher-Munson loudness curves show how our ears are less sensitive to low frequencies at low volumes. Proper equalization can increase our perception of full dynamics at lower volumes with any speaker. I always run my sub a little hotter when listening to music at low volume levels and the little gut punches from the lowest notes create the perception of increased dynamics.
I guess that explains the downward slope.Please be aware that the loudspeaker measurements of https://www.hifi-voice.com/ are in room without windowing, so have only limited informative value.
thank you for your so-detailed advice . but in kolkata i.e. in INDIA availability is a major issue .ASR Trigger Warning: The "average" (median/mean) / typical ASR member/poster is advised to just skip over this post. Move along. There's nothing to see here. These are not the droids you're looking for.
IF (???) budget and/or available space are constraints, @S. Ghosh -- you might want to consider a single-driver (so-called "fullrange") loudspeaker.
Not sure what would be readily available where you live, but there are myriad options, including purchaing a pair of drivers and building (or having someone build) enclosures for them.
Now -- here's the thing. A "fullrange" driver is a big bucketful of compromises by definition, considering that the nominally "audible" spectrum covers three orders of magnitude of frequencies (20 Hz to 20,000 Hz; i.e., wavelengths of ca. 17 meters to 1.7 cm), but most of them employ no electrical crossover to waste amplifier power, and they can be quite sensitive. A variety of tricks are sometimes used to enhance the perceived performance of these drivers -- e.g., horn, pipe, or transmission line loading for bass enhancement, or parasitic ("whizzer") cones or dual-compliance suspensions (a la the Altec "Biflex") to extend treble response. It is possible to make a "fullrange" driver that is fairly sensitive (even very sensitive, at least by modern standards). The optimum size for a single-driver seems to me (empirically!) to be about 200 mm (8 inches, where I live) but there are many such drivers commercially available that are larger and smaller than that.
These are currently fashionable in some circles:
https://www.lii-audio.com/
Fostex (Foster) has a long-standing position in manufacturing "fullrange" speakers and offers designs and kits to build enclosures for them.
https://www.fostexinternational.com/docs/speaker_components/types_of_drivers.shtml
The classic sine qua non were/are the drivers from an eccentric British company called Lowther. These drivers are interesting and very polarizing in the 'community'. They're very sensitive, though -- and very expensive.
https://lowtherloudspeakers.com/
There are other modern manufacturers/distributors of "fullrange" drivers. In the US, Madisound and Parts Express are good sources. Parts Express has some unique offerings sold under their "Dayton Audio" brand, as well as some interesting (and not inexpensive) TangBand drivers.
PE's fullrange driver offerings are mixed into the offerings in this filtered view from PE's website: https://www.parts-express.com/speak.../midrange-midbass-drivers-full-range-speakers
There are other current production options for both drivers and fully-finished loudspeakers (drivers and cabinets) -- some include various kinds of "passive" networks to improve their performance (at the expense of some sensitivity and dynamics, for better or worse). Here is one (US) example -- also, again, quite polarizing to "audiophiles"
https://omegaloudspeakers.com/
There are also many "vintage" options from companies storied (Altec, JBL, Electrovoice, Jensen, e.g.) and less fondly remembered (Utah, University, Oaktron, e.g.) Even the fabledretailer "Radio Shack" sold some interesting "fullrange" drivers over they years.
Are these drivers/speakers ideal? Far from it. Can they deliver good dynamics? Yes (in some cases). Are they "colored" (i.e., do they exhibit substantial deviations from flat frequency response)? Yes, almost without exception (and without regard to price!). Do they suffer from other woes not typically found in "normal" loudspeakers? Yes (e.g., Doppler distortion and rising impedance at higher frequencies being among the most typical). Can they sound "good"? Yes (subjectively). They're absolutely, irrevocably not for everybody. In other words, you'll want to try before you buy.
HTH ("hope this helps"), as they say.
EDIT: Here are two subforums at other hifi websites that might be of interest/value for you to peruse, @S. Ghosh
https://hifihaven.org/index.php?forums/high-efficiency.21/
https://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hug/bbs.html
These might be of interest, too:
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?forums/the-lansing-legacy.212/
https://audiokarma.org/forums/index.php?forums/the-klipsch-korner.131/
https://community.klipsch.com/
http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/
https://www.hostboard.com/forums/f700/index13.html (moribund, but still some good information scattered through it)
NEED FULL DYNAMICS IN VERY LOW VOLUME
Ohh come on.87dB is far from high sensitivity. From 97dB upwards perhaps it could be considered high sensitivity...
My Lord. 93? Are driving with 20 watt tube?Plus one.
87 db isn't high sensitivity. I might settle for less than 97 db, but certainly would be talking 93 db and above.
I do understand that! Thus I tried to cast a very broad net in terms of "ideas" (I hesitate to call some of them "suggestions").thank you for your so-detailed advice . but in kolkata i.e. in INDIA availability is a major issue .
By and large, the classic ("heritage") Klipsch have, to me, a very harsh and aggressive sound. Most of them have horn resonances in the treble that make them, to me, ear gougers. I do like the Chorus and the Chorus II, but they are large, expensive, and perhaps very hard to find when you are.WANT TO KNOW THE TRUE SOUND QUALITY ABOUT OMEGA & KLIPSCH
SPEAKERS WHICH ARE OF HIGH SENSITIVITY .
It doesn't look horrible to me, but I like vintage speakers, horns, etc. FR looks warm sounding with a little boost above 100kHz in mid bass and declining in highs. It is a little jaggy so it won't be super realistic sounding, but it should be pleasant, especially fairly close where room response will be less pronounced. I bet I would like the sound OK, but I would not trade my Focal Aria 948 for them. The cabinets are really pretty.
need extensive review about spatial audio open baffle speakersIt doesn't look horrible to me, but I like vintage speakers, horns, etc. FR looks warm sounding with a little boost above 100kHz in mid bass and declining in highs. It is a little jaggy so it won't be super realistic sounding, but it should be pleasant, especially fairly close where room response will be less pronounced. I bet I would like the sound OK, but I would not trade my Focal Aria 948 for them. The cabinets are really pretty.
My pleasure.mhardy6647 , you are sharing your knowledge just like a friend , philosopher and guide . You are most welcome with your thoughts .
Horns in general can easily take on an overly aggressive and forward character and depending on the music one listens to, this might be a plus or a minus. Horns can sound as refined as any other type and still have the "dynamic / more alive" character, but its a balancing act to get there.Audiophiles consistently describe HE speakers as sounding “more dynamic” or “more alive” and “like they are here” vs “you are there”. I’d be interested to know if ASR members think this is true given plenty of amplifier for a less efficient speaker. Or are the aforementioned qualities a function of frequency anomalies and/or the radiation patterns of HE loudspeakers.
Audiophiles consistently describe HE speakers as sounding “more dynamic” or “more alive” and “like they are here” vs “you are there”. I’d be interested to know if ASR members think this is true given plenty of amplifier for a less efficient speaker. Or are the aforementioned qualities a function of frequency anomalies and/or the radiation patterns of HE loudspeakers.
It's a relative number but I sure wouldn't consider 87 db high. Somewhere over 90 is in the ball park I'd say.Plus one.
87 db isn't high sensitivity. I might settle for less than 97 db, but certainly would be talking 93 db and above.