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what a surprise . You only have to go ao the Arcam and JBL synthesis threads at AVS to see what bug-ridden shittboxes these units are
Not really robust. Firmware glitches, weird behavior. At least the high volume consumer electronics seem to not freeze, not have problems programming room correction routines. High prices and low volumes seems not to fund big budgets for programmers and robust software. I would worry about this turning into a white elephant product in a couple of years.So... money in AVRs/Pro buys features, robustness, etc.. but cleanest signal isn't guaranteed.
Nothing really new.
Does Dirac even do 15.1? On their website I only see it mentioning 7.1.2.
I also see it uses Harman‘s own 16ch upmixer, I wonder how that compares to the Dolby/DTS counterparts.
It's Dante, not Dente
Arcam's response to this was that I had created a "ground loop" with my HTPC. Never mind that there is no mains frequency peak that would indicate a ground loop. The noise is broadband and encompasses a range up to a few hundred hertz.
- Blinking sample rate at low levels/muted!
- Seems to not operate below - 90 dBFS (15 bits)
Note how Coax did much worse here. The reason is that the device seems to mute its output with signal below -90 dBFS. It would flash the sample rate on the display. I reported this to Arcam as well with no response.
Finally, jitter and noise is very bad on Coax input:
I forget due to both having edits and there being fixed and whatnot, but does the Emotiva RMC-1 for $5000 offer anything over the Monoprice for $4000 (at say 3Vrms and lower; no amp needs more than that to my knowledge)?
Darn I thought we had something we could sink our teeth into.
I know. It was a typo I fixed.
Sorry, I can't decipher your message. I don't have any Dante DAC to test with. Time has nothing to do with it. Nor the complexity. If you are offering a Dante DAC and can do so immediately before I have to return the unit to its owner, I can test with it. Otherwise, no I can't buy that hardware myself just for this one instance.You really don't have to do this, I do realise that you have a new product to test everyday, but at least theoretically you should have at least the "possibility" to test it. This could be interesting for some of us, since I haven't seen a Dante digital interface actually measured. A combination of the Dante Controller, and the Dante virtual soundcard, make this possible, but Yes I know, not as straight forward as sending a signal from the APx555 so I'm just trowing it out there if it's of interest to you. If so, you can message me for help, it'll be my pleasure, just saying.
https://www.audinate.com/products/software/dante-controller
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I debated a lot what rating to give the SDP-55: beheaded Panther or "I don't know" one. From functionality and reliability, the beheaded one is definitely deserved and hence its inclusion.
Would sure like it if someone sent a DDRC-88A in for testing by Amir.One could have both - I have the 8 channel miniDsp that has Dirac. A Denon AVR pre-outs into the miniDsp DDRC-88A would be a relatively cheap, two-box option but won't get you 16 channels (can get close if you use two miniDsp units) I guess.
One could have both - I have the 8 channel miniDsp that has Dirac. A Denon AVR pre-outs into the miniDsp DDRC-88A would be a relatively cheap, two-box option but won't get you 16 channels (can get close if you use two miniDsp units) I guess.
Not to defend Arcam at all but most consumers in its target segment don't attach HDMI from PCs to the unit either. This hypothetical argument can be put to rest (for the testing process only) by lifting the electrical ground of the PC temporarily and checking if the noise persists. There doesn't need to be a mains peak dominant or even present in a "ground loop" issues. If it does persist, as I suspect it will, then it would confirm that is not the issue rather than leave open plausible deniability for Arcam/Harman.Arcam's response to this was that I had created a "ground loop" with my HTPC. Never mind that there is no mains frequency peak that would indicate a ground loop. The noise is broadband and encompasses a range up to a few hundred hertz. They said that they test using a portable HDMI signal generator that is operated on batteries. Naturally that device is generating a cleaner source than my PC. I explained to them that consumers don't use portable HDMI generators as their source and that they need to design their equipment so that it is immune to vagaries of HDMI. They did not respond. And here we are with the JBL version doing exactly the same thing.
The bipolar panther debuts!
The Monoprice HTP-1 subjective evaluation really looks unfair compared to this.
I am not in the target market for Pre/Pros, but I would definitely recommend the HTP-1 over any of these.