Before and after the GR modsNow you really need to test the wonder child of online reviewers the RP-600M
Before and after the GR modsNow you really need to test the wonder child of online reviewers the RP-600M
Personally, I still want to hear their klipschorn. I've heard many of their 'regular' speakers however and they are what I like to think of as hometheatre speakers. Very bright and sharp, putting a lot of emphasis on spacial effects. Not something I enjoy listening to two channel music on. Their Heritage series isn't more refined or anything but they're fun. Sometimes you get bored of a neutral response and you want to rock out with a different sound. That's what the Heritage speakers that I've heard were about imo.Are all Klipsch speakers really poor, their Scalas hve some of the worst measurements I have ever seen.
Keith
I've listened to the Klipschorn for several days in total at a buddy's place. They sounded great on specific music and then the rest was a let down. Room dimensions are also very important due to the corner horn nature of them.Personally, I still want to hear their klipschorn. I've heard many of their 'regular' speakers however and they are what I like to think of as hometheatre speakers. Very bright and sharp, putting a lot of emphasis on spacial effects. Not something I enjoy listening to two channel music on. Their Heritage series isn't more refined or anything but they're fun. Sometimes you get bored of a neutral response and you want to rock out with a different sound. That's what the Heritage speakers that I've heard were about imo.
It doesn't necessarily mean that crossover design is bad, you just might be measuring above the optimal axis.
Or maybe just buy a better speaker to begin with instead of wasting time modifying a mediocre set of drivers?Before and after the GR mods
In the Preference Rating formula, Olive does describe target curves (using log-spacing), and I calculate in my spreadsheets how far that speaker's PIR is from the target PIR (under the SPL Specs tab), this Klipsch has a 1dB shallower slope and will likely be described as Bright.Defining the "neutral curve" based on what the majority prefers makes absolutely no sense at all (unless you are a speaker manufacturer that is).
Just look at the singles charts for an example of majority preference...
I'd rather stick with the Brüel & Kjær target in-room curve.
And a dip ~10kHz.Also it's worth noting that the labeled 'resonances' in the treble are present in all the klippel measurements so far. I still think these are inherent to the rig; they are always small bumps present around 5K, 7K, and 9K, with matching small dips around 6K and 8K.
Defining the "neutral curve" based on what the majority prefers makes absolutely no sense at all (unless you are a speaker manufacturer that is).
Just look at the singles charts for an example of majority preference...
I'd rather stick with the Brüel & Kjær target in-room curve.
U sure? The woofer step needs to start a bit earlier to smoothly blend with tweeter's response.In general yes, but in this case the start of the woofer's step preceeds the tweeter's.
And a dip ~10kHz.
It likely wold be fixed if the microphone calibration was loaded (I'm guessing it's not as straight forward as it is in say REW, and hence why Amir hasn't done it yet).
Had we determined these bumps to be related to mic calbration? I thought that just accounted for a bit of the sloping down of the response in the top octave. Seems a bit exagerated to be a mic issue to me, especially on a relatively high end mic. My Umik doesn't show bumps that broad even with the calibration turned off. I'd assumed they were reflections off the klippel rig itself.
And a dip ~10kHz.
It likely wold be fixed if the microphone calibration was loaded (I'm guessing it's not as straight forward as it is in say REW, and hence why Amir hasn't done it yet).
Defining the "neutral curve" based on what the majority prefers makes absolutely no sense at all
The mic calibration seems to increase dips over 10khz if this post was done correctly? And it has negligible effect below 10khz.
I feel like measurement issues between 5-10khz are much more important than >10khz though in any case. If those bumps are really a consistent measurement issue, hopefully they can be worked out.
I'd suspect a reflection before I'd suspect a calibration issue. Calibration is typically to remove the breakup that occurs and correct the drooping response afterward. If anything, it looks like textbook comb filtering.
U sure? The woofer step needs to start a bit earlier to smoothly blend with tweeter's response.
Same happens in stereophile's rp-600 review and JA gave the same comment as I did.
You do your listening before measuring, for the obvious reason, right?Speaker Listening Tests