To paraphrase Tolstoy, good speakers are all alike; bad speakers are all bad in their own way.
You smart.
I didn't particularly like how the KEF L50 sound. I can't imagine I'd particularly like these. At least they're cheap.
To paraphrase Tolstoy, good speakers are all alike; bad speakers are all bad in their own way.
I think they sent me two different models.
Interpretation of the frequency response graphs gets into the subjective territory. We could listen to the same speakers and come to different conclusions about what's bright, hard, or forward to us right? We have to specify that these are relative and subjective, not absolutes.
Hopefully you aren't talking about ML ESL panels?From presentation point of view, we need to eliminate the negative ratings. I have one speaker that I can test that hopefully will the negative anchor and we can then offset from that...
The negative value for the y-axis is just so the data labels are visible (the graph that Sean used for the headphone scaled scores does the same).From presentation point of view, we need to eliminate the negative ratings. I have one speaker that I can test that hopefully will the negative anchor and we can then offset from that...
@MZKM this might open up a can of worms, and be a lot more work, but I think it may be useful to calculate the preference ratings for the speakers tested so far using Olive's first formula for Test One
@MZKM this might open up a can of worms, and be a lot more work, but I think it may be useful to calculate the preference ratings for the speakers tested so far using Olive's first formula for Test One, and compare those scores with the ones already computed using the final formula. If the scores are closely matched, I think this would be further evidence that they're correct, as the first formula had a higher correlation coefficient, and was made using data from stand-mounted speakers, which all of the ones Amir has tested so far are. (This would be even better evidence for the scores being correct if Olive had highlighted the speakers from Test One in the correlation plot for all the speakers, and these highlighted speakers were close to the regression line. Alas he didn't, so we don't know exactly how closely the initial and final formulas' preference ratings should match. I think the fact they both show high correlation with actual ratings suggests they should be fairly close though.)
Got an 8.3 for the Neumann with the Test One data. Will have to automate it to be able to apply it to the other speakers and see if there is any major differences in ranking and spacing of scores with the generalized model.Yes. Below is what Olive said about the lower 0.86 correlation for the final formula applied to all the speaker tests compared to the initial formula only applied to one listening test, which had a higher correlation coefficient of 0.995 (~1 i.e. almost perfect):
Here's the correlation graph for the first formula applied to Test One:
View attachment 48711
This may look great, but consider the speaker sample size is only 13, compared to 70 for the final formula. Plus I believe all these 13 speakers were stand-mounted designs, whereas the full 70 included all different types and sizes of speakers, so the first formula may not work as well for other speaker types.
@MZKM this might open up a can of worms, and be a lot more work, but I think it may be useful to calculate the preference ratings for the speakers tested so far using Olive's first formula for Test One, and compare those scores with the ones already computed using the final formula. If the scores are closely matched, I think this would be further evidence that they're correct, as the first formula had a higher correlation coefficient, and was made using data from stand-mounted speakers, which all of the ones Amir has tested so far are. (This would be even better evidence for the scores being correct if Olive had highlighted the speakers from Test One in the correlation plot for all the speakers, and these highlighted speakers were close to the regression line. Alas he didn't, so we don't know exactly how closely the initial and final formulas' preference ratings should match. I think the fact they both show high correlation with actual ratings suggests they should be fairly close though.)
I don't know...Doesn't really seem to me that Amir's review kills the buzz necessarily. I'm pretty impressed with how the RB42s came out here at a their price point. I think if there's been a buzz-kill, it really happened in the LS50 review...
oh, heck! Are they on the 'to be tested list' here?I think you're thinking of Dayton's MKxxx series of speakers, which appear to use the same woofer as the Micca RB42. The tweeter on Dayton's speakers is superficially similar but I don't know if it's actually the same. The Miccas certainly have a more elaborate crossover, for whatever that's worth.
The C-Notes kit speakers have completely different drivers. 1" dome tweeters instead of 0.75", and a 5" aluminum cone woofer.
The C-Notes are absolutely wonderful. At $100/pair, I have zero hesitation in calling them the greatest value in the speaker world. That product page has a build video and the PDF manual lists the tools you'll need if that's something anybody's interested in tackling once they're back in stock.
Flat response, great dispersion characteristics, and strong output down to the 40hz range. I find their sound very similar to the JBL 305's, perhaps a bit mellower and perhaps with wider dispersion. To me their only real downside is that (like the 305s) they don't get super loud and their max output might not satisfy in a larger room.
There's nearly $85 worth of drivers in a pair of the C-Notes; it's almost like you're getting the cabinet and crossover parts for free.
@amirm is Vanatoo on the agenda in the near future?
https://vanatoo.com/
I think it makes a lot of sense to take a look at these, they don't seem to be mentioned much around here.
I am now super interested to see the MB42X. I had those for a few years and never understood the high praise. The pioneers in the same price range sound leagues better imo (Amir may need to review that too).
At their price, everybody in this hobby should buy a pair! Unlike me, Parts Express can at least help folks exercise some restraint since they're listed as out of stock for the next few months. =)oh, heck! Are they on the 'to be tested list' here?
I've been resisting a pair of these for a long time... don't make me buy a pair, 'K?
and what dac?I powered it using the Purifi amplifier.
Topping DX3 Pro.and what dac?