Genelec doesn't increase the price?I don't buy it, why hasn't Genelec and other companies increased the prices?
Genelec renews his models quickly why?
8260 7390 euro 2013
8361a 9900 euro 2021
Genelec doesn't increase the price?I don't buy it, why hasn't Genelec and other companies increased the prices?
I'm talking about recently not years agoGenelec doesn't increase the price?
Genelec renews his models quickly why?
8260 7390 euro 2013
8361a 9900 euro 2021
Genelec conceals its price increases by very rapid model changes.I'm talking about recently not years ago
At least they improve the older models with the new ones, so some increase in price is justified.Genelec conceals its price increases by very rapid model changes.
Why the market would sync for a price increase?
Genelec conceals its price increases by very rapid model changes.
Why the market would sync for a price increase?
Why do you think these have a comparable BOM? The 8361A uses in-house woofers with neodymium magnets, a LOT more amp horsepower (700W vs 150W for LF), more powerful DSP modules (16 or more notch filters vs 4), and obviously more R&D shared with the Ones family (especially to match directivity between the waveguide and controlled vertical cancellation and vastly improve the coaxial's capabilities to play louder while crossing lower).Genelec doesn't increase the price?
Genelec renews his models quickly why?
8260 7390 euro 2013
8361a 9900 euro 2021
In my world the most important is what is audible.Why do you think these have a comparable BOM? The 8361A uses in-house woofers with neodymium magnets, a LOT more amp horsepower (700W vs 150W for LF), more powerful DSP modules (16 or more notch filters vs 4), and obviously more R&D shared with the Ones family (especially to match directivity between the waveguide and controlled vertical cancellation and vastly improve the coaxial's capabilities to play louder while crossing lower).
What I meant is that Genelec isn't just increasing prices because they want to.In my world the most important is what is audible.
Doubt the watts cost really "nothing" and I'm pretty sure neo magnets have a significant impact.The watt, the dsp cost nothing.
First of all congrats on the fantastic KH310.I'm thinking of moving the crossover down significantly but maybe switching to 12 or 18dB/oct? 45hz and 12dB or 55hz and 18dB, something like that.
I do! I haven't gotten around to measuring the latency of my FIR filters to match them up with IIR correction on the bass, so I just FIR everything... I went with 70dB and 24db/oct FIR filters for my first attempt but honestly, I don't think they need that much. Right now I'm just using Pro-Q 3 to pull down the peak at 130hz a bit and I prefer it over the FIR filters... seriously, this FR is outrageous:First of all congrats on the fantastic KH310.
Do you use FIR filters? If not a such low crossover frequency will increase the group delay in that region quite highly so it could be above the known audibility limits and if you use FIR to correct it, it will have quite some latency.
I have to agree. When I first ordered my KH310’s a while ago, at first it felt a little nervous / risky / remorseful since at the time it was my most expensive speaker purchase ever. But as soon as they arrived, all doubt of any kind washed away; then and ever since, I’ve believe they are a bargain for what you get.Absolutely outstanding... completely blown away. This is the best deal I've gotten on anything in my life.
Yeah, I think the KH310 occupies a wonderful “sweet spot” between the cheaper two-ways from both Neumann and Genelec, and much more expensive three-ways (like the much more expensive Genelec 8351B which are approximately twice as expensive in the US).I guess the 8350A is in the same class but is only 2-way.
And the next level are the Ones but they cost double than the KH310
So yeah, it's a hard choice
It makes me sad for not getting them @ the old priceI love seeing all the Neumann KH310 love here!
I have to agree. When I first ordered my KH310’s a while ago, at first it felt a little nervous / risky / remorseful since at the time it was my most expansive speaker purchase ever. But as soon as they arrived, all doubt of any kind washed away; then and ever since, I’ve believe they are a bargain for what you get.
Yeah, I think the KH310 occupies a wonderful “sweet spot” between the cheaper two-ways from both Neumann and Genelec, and much more expensive three-ways (like the much more expensive Genelec 8351B which are approximately twice as expensive in the US).
One of the few other contending three-way speakers in a similar price category would be Revel F206, but having owned those and heard those back-to-back, I believe the Neumann KH310’s are much better.
I can’t speak to the prices in other countries, but Genelec speakers in the US are fiercely price-controlled and sell at a huge markup, when compared to prices in e.g. Finland. So I imagine they have a considerable buffer margin that can absorb some inflation costs until they become too great.I don't buy it, why hasn't Genelec and other companies increased the prices?
Well, at least they’re still very competitive for the price IMO, even after the price increase. Even more so if you can negotiate a discount from a dealer (which I did back when I got mine, although that was pre-covid supply chain issues, so probably not possible any more). The only other monitor I can think of that matches and exceeds the KH310 would be Genelec 8351B’s which cost $8000/pair MSRP, rather than $4600/pair MSRP.It makes me sad for not getting them @ the old price
Well we don’t know for sure since we do not have Klippell measurements for either the Genelec 8361A or the Neumann KH420. Both have polar response plots published by the manufacturer and both look fantastic. Both have SPL measurements available and both are also fantastic (though the KH420 has more midbass, midrange, and treble power, while the Genelec 8361 measures with a bit more bass power).as for KH420 I don’t know, since the Genelec 8361A costs the same in USD and is in some ways better).
Can you elaborate?