wadec22
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I thought you bought one? Did you return yours?
I did & yes
I thought you bought one? Did you return yours?
They may. I have sent the unit back already so no way to confirm.Would AW or AES-17 even matter for the dashboard given the 20khz bandwidth?
Thanks, we will do it better, we are purchasing APX-555 to be a referance.@SMSL-Mandy Great to see your team chiming in. Always good to see manufacturers take a keen interest in how their products perform technically out in the "wild". *thumbs up*.
Great to hear! Awesome follow-upThanks, we will do it better, we are purchasing APX-555 to be a referance.
Mandy, could you please explain the difference between the SMSL and the VMV SMSL? Thank you.Thanks, we will do it better, we are purchasing APX-555 to be a referance.
Mandy, could you please explain the difference between the SMSL and the VMV SMSL? Thank you.
This is what I used to think too.
If you are not in the audiophile "know" (this forum alone basically) then you will think that different DAC chips really make a difference in how the DAC sounds or performs.
But now we have seen competant designs using literally every major DAC brand aswell as custom things like Chord FPGA's all perform similarly. Basically showing that any Modern DAC chip is totally fine and its all based on the implementation of said DAC.
When this M10 came out it peaked my interest aswell as it looked quite nice. But once again since I have my DX7 I'm not overly excited to purchase anything else and just wait to see if it gets reviewed here
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When that ever happens, a new discussion will arise. For now, it's just unicorn products until proven otherwise.when both are implemented perfectly
I think we're getting pretty close to some of those, when the realized SINAD of one implementation is quite close to the theoretical max SNR of older DAC chips.When that ever happens, a new discussion will arise. For now, it's just unicorn products until proven otherwise.
In photography, the megapixel myth was born from similar ideas when the very first "high megapixel" sensors came out, but were badly implemented on the rest of the camera's topology due to the tech of the time.
Well I would argue that no DAC needs to, or any other bit of audio kit. My room has a background noise level around 30dB. If I had a DAC with SINAD of better than 112 dB (I do) and turn the volume of my amp up so I can just hear the noise (I have tried it) the volume setting would be completely unusable, even on well recorded classical music never mind standard "loudness war" pop because it would blow me out of the room and probably burn out my speakers.No ES9018 DAC can ever exceed -112 SNR or SINAD
Agreed, implementation is generally the evil that this website deals with the most.
However, because we have this website, we can then focus our discussion into the cream of the crop only, if one so chooses, because we have the data to do so.
That's one of the reasons I'm thankful such a website exists to navigate through the otherwise murky world of hifi audio.
Mind you, I make no statements of the audibility of the ES9023-based DACs vs. the ES9038Q2M-based DAC's. In fact, I specifically called out measurements only in my previous post.Well I would argue that no DAC needs to, or any other bit of audio kit. My room has a background noise level around 30dB. If I had a DAC with SINAD of 112 dB (I do) and turn the volume of my amp up so I can just hear the noise (I have tried it) the volume setting would be completely unusable, even on well recorded classical music never mind standard "loudness war" pop because it would blow me out of the room and probably burn out my speakers.
Absolutely no need for a source to play actual music with that performance, it is a purely academic exercise and a waste of time and money IMO.
Well this website does deal with sciencepurely academic exercise
I don't understand is the attitude that "everything is good enough now, so no use to try to improve."
DACs of Atom/THX789 SINAD level) is more stimulating. As of now, both the JDS Atom or the THX789 await a DAC with a SINAD that matches theirs but as far as the SINADs of those amps go, we're pretty much reaching the end of that growth...
There is always room for growth in other areas: cost and efficiency for example. If we hit the point of "satisfactory" performance at the high end, we can enjoy watching that level of performance permeate the various price points (as with the JDS Atom, THX 789, SMSL SU-8, Tone Board, Topping DX3 Pro, and many others). Previously unimaginable levels of performance at any price point are now available at various budget price points. To me, that's very exciting.Explained:
Mostly has to do with personal threshold of sufficiency. Of course, each must decide on a time to move onto other things when the measured upgrade leans on the diminishing return of subjectively marginal improvements.
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While I appreciate small improvement, seeing huge growth in other aspects of audio (perhaps of speaker amps or even DACs of Atom/THX789 SINAD level) is more stimulating. As of now, both the JDS Atom or the THX789 await a DAC with a SINAD that matches theirs but as far as the SINADs of those amps go, we're pretty much reaching the end of that growth...