Anonamemouse
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Incorrect. It is the DSD layer, in DSD.It will be 16/44 PCM not DSD, so it's a down sampled version. But yes, technically you're right, it is the SACD layer.
Incorrect. It is the DSD layer, in DSD.It will be 16/44 PCM not DSD, so it's a down sampled version. But yes, technically you're right, it is the SACD layer.
My DAC has Is2 inputs and XLR balanced outputs to my preamp. Do you think the China box would work with that? My Marantz SACD player has a coax output.
Coming late to the convo, but Sony’s DRM restrictions on the SACD format require all digital signals from SACD players to be downsampled to a maximum 48Khz/16 bit. Save for one sleazy exception, all SACD players, including OPPO’s (of which I own three) convert DSD signals to PCM 48Khz/16 bit out of all digital outputs (coaxial and TOSLINK) except for the HDMI port, which is a closed ecosystem. So the rips you made from your S/PDIF ports are indisputably PCM 48, not DSD64. There is no debate about this.Nope, I’ve used my Oppo BDO-93 to rip the SACD stereo layer this way using optical out. As these were non-hybrid SACD I know this worked with my player.
What about a conversion from dsd/dsf is "downsampling"? DSD/DSF is so limited in functionality....Coming late to the convo, but Sony’s DRM restrictions on the SACD format require all digital signals from SACD players to be downsampled to a maximum 48Khz/16 bit. Save for one sleazy exception, all SACD players, including OPPO’s (of which I own three) convert DSD signals to PCM 48Khz/16 bit out of all digital outputs (coaxial and TOSLINK) except for the HDMI port, which is a closed ecosystem. So the rips you made from your S/PDIF ports are indisputably PCM 48, not DSD64. There is no debate about this.
The exception I mentioned above is PS Audio’s Perfectwave SACD transport, which retails for $6,999. They somehow managed to squirm around Sony’s restrictions (or perhaps buy them off) and port the native DSD signal via their own proprietary I2S output, which will be correctly decoded by a DAC that happens to utilize PS Audio’s proprietary pinout as well (which their own $7,000 DAC has readily available, of course). There are no other exceptions.
There is a standard circuit board that has circulated for a few years on AliExpress and eBay that will extract the digital signal layer out of any SACD player and output it via I2S, which is what I use to play native DSD out of my Sony UBP-1100ES SACD player to my Topping d90se DAC. I was able to get it to work by changing the DSD flag on the Topping from 14 to 15, and it works great. I suppose if there was a ripper out there that had an I2S input, this route would theoretically be possible. But that’s not how it has historically been done.
For quite a few years now, SACD “hobbyists” have been extracting the DSD layer by transmitting it over a file server and ripping them accordingly using Sonore’s shareware (along with a couple of newer, faster options that have since emerged). The attached link lists all of the out-of-production players that utilize the MediaTek chipset, which have been shown to have reliable success in this endeavor.
None of them involve anything as obvious and rudimentary as just plugging a ripper into a player’s S/PDIF output—if it were as easy as that, nobody would have tried and failed enough times to be scouring technical websites such as this one for a solution. Unless you have evidence that the signal coming out of that S/PDIF port was anything above 48k/16 bit, you’ve been listening to exactly that and thinking it was native DSD. Which I really wouldn’t fault you for, since none of us could probably tell the difference anyway!
Rip SACD with a Blu-ray player
Welcome to the HiFi Haven Rip SACD with a Blu-ray player thread! This thread does not intend to rehash or further detail the well established PlayStation 3 SACD ripping method, nor the more recent Blu-ray player method, that in each case typically involves use of a command line interface (CLI)...hifihaven.org
I’m not sure I understand your question, but I wasn’t commenting on the qualities of DSD/DSF itself vs PCM. I was only explaining why it isn’t possible to rip the native DSD signal out of the S/PDIF ports of SACD players. Sony made it the law of the land, allegedly in the service of discouraging the piracy of “high resolution” masters and subsequent sale of bootlegs.What about a conversion from dsd/dsf is "downsampling"? DSD/DSF is so limited in functionality....
The perfect solution exists using an older Sony SACD player and a USB stick and free software.
The perfect solution exists using an older Sony SACD player and a USB stick and free software. No need for networks or plugging or unplugging a player from your system or command lines or a computer or daughter board or anything else. Just start the process and a few minutes later the files are on a USB stick. I think a lot of the mis information is because earlier versions of the software required a computer and network connection but not any more.
We can do that also using very early version and specific series serial number of Sony Playstation 3 like the one I have been keeping only for this purpose (ref. here, there I wrote "I could successfully extract the DSD layer into DSF files using old model of Sony PlayStation and 'the' unofficial SACD ripping tool.")
Do you have a link to this newer method?The perfect solution exists using an older Sony SACD player and a USB stick and free software. No need for networks or plugging or unplugging a player from your system or command lines or a computer or daughter board or anything else. Just start the process and a few minutes later the files are on a USB stick. I think a lot of the mis information is because earlier versions of the software required a computer and network connection but not any more.
That's copying. Not ripping.Nope, I’ve used my Oppo BDO-93 to rip the SACD stereo layer this way using optical out. As these were non-hybrid SACD I know this worked with my player.
Why? If one owns the SACD it is format shifting. If they don't it is copying.That's copying. Not ripping.
Do you have a link to this newer method?
Thanks.
Rip SACD with a Blu-ray player
Welcome to the HiFi Haven Rip SACD with a Blu-ray player thread! This thread does not intend to rehash or further detail the well established PlayStation 3 SACD ripping method, nor the more recent Blu-ray player method, that in each case typically involves use of a command line interface (CLI)...hifihaven.org
…The specific SACD ripping method detailed here utilizes the Blu-ray player as a file server (aka the server method), with the extracted DSD tracks sent over Ethernet or WiFi to a destination computer residing anywhere on the same local area network (LAN) as the server Blu-ray player/ripper…
Take a look at Post #26 on page 2, it has links to the "auto rip" version.I saw that but it describes ripping over a network, which is what I currently do with my Oppo 103, not directly to a usb thumb drive connected to the BD player.
Take a look at Post #26 on page 2, it has links to the "auto rip" version.
actually the version linked on post #1633 page 82 is what I use.
Use a computer with a blu ray drive (just read drive, don't need burner) and Make MKV software https://www.makemkv.com/Can you rip blu ray dsd files using that software?
Got loads of special edition stuff to do.
True - but those units run hot and often break down as a result.