Yes, it's interesting how many people like the sound of speakers that measure terribly.
With so little measurement and knowledge of the same for speakers, it is no wonder people buy whatever is out there based on brand reputation, empty reviews and such.Yes, it's interesting how many people like the sound of speakers that measure terribly.
I wonder. I live in decent size city in Rochester NY. I would have to drive to Buffalo (60 miles). Maybe Toronto (150 miles) or NYC (300ish miles) to hear them. Not even sure anyone in Buffalo has them, but maybe. And even then, I’ve never had a decent showroom experience when buying a speaker. It’s so hard to get anything more than initial impressions before the sales guy is comparing the speakers to his sound system in his VW scirocco in the 80s. I think most buy Vandersteen based on reputation now.But I would think the average Vendersteen customer is an audio enthusiast who listens before buying ... these are mostly people who claim to hear tons of stuff that isn't there (eg cable effects), but also apparently can't hear stuff that is ...
Perhaps it measures better with the grill on? Erin recently measured the Wharfedale Linton which was good with the grill on.The simple fact of the woofer being “on” the baffle instead of flush is an almost immediate sign that the response will be jagged. Even moreso with the frame being cut to fit on the sides
That says something about humans. That's probably why we invent things, and other animals don't.But I would think the average Vendersteen customer is an audio enthusiast who listens before buying ... these are mostly people who claim to hear tons of stuff that isn't there (eg cable effects), but also apparently can't hear stuff that is ...
Something to do with directivity and dispersion. ...Sure it's been researched.Perhaps it measures better with the grill on? Erin recently measured the Wharfedale Linton which was good with the grill on.
Maybe on those left/right sides, but then the top/bottom would still have issues.Perhaps it measures better with the grill on? Erin recently measured the Wharfedale Linton which was good with the grill on.
Interestingly, they have the same kind of directivity issues:
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The issues are pushed up quite a bit higher in frequency though, so that is a major plus.
Almost all coaxials except the current Genelec and KEF ones have some upper dispersion issues, although the above KS one at around 10 kHz (similar to the Kali Audio one) cannot be compared and is by far not as problematic and audible like the directvity missmatch of this Vandersteen between 1 and 4 kHz which could be corrected to a big part with a better crossover design.
The grill seems to be made of thick material and covers the whole front panel around the speaker element. So was this measured with grill on? @amirmMaybe on those left/right sides, but then the top/bottom would still have issues.
The grill seems to be made of thick material and covers the whole front panel around the speaker element. So was this measured with grill on? @amirm
I found this picture:
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Does the grille fit tight around the woofer, making the whole thing flush? (I've never seen such a thing but one can always hope, and that's what I kind of understand from @TimoJ's post. Any pictures of the grille?)The simple fact of the woofer being “on” the baffle instead of flush is an almost immediate sign that the response will be jagged. Even moreso with the frame being cut to fit on the sides
Yes, it fits very snugly around the drive unit and makes the front face flat.Does the grille fit tight around the woofer, making the whole thing flush? (I've never seen such a thing but one can always hope, and that's what I kind of understand from @TimoJ's post. Any pictures of the grille?)
Anyway this looks like it's one of those SEAS coaxial drivers-the high frequency response is spiky as an 80s punk band's hair, and the tweeter level way high compared to the woofer. I never understood how a company capable of making such fine woofers and tweeters could produce such [vomit emoji][back end of a cow emoji]
It certainly seems they might measure better with the grill.Or you could say (correctly!) that it's good design.
What's "baffling" is how few speakers have grille designs that do not damage the sound.